Tarp Tent Scarp Owners Thread

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16/10/2011 at 13:39

Hello all, another Scarp 1 owner as of 2 weeks ago, but as yet to use it on the hills

I have done some of the mods as mentioned here, some very good tips so thanks.

I have just a few questions....

1/ I think I would like a footprint (nylon type), which is the best, Competition or Atko?

2/ Where best (price) to buy said footprint? (There seems to be a ? over getting one from Team IO of late, has anybody got an update on their service or if they are still trading?)

3/ Removing the straps from the reinforcing disc plastic "buckles" that connect the outer to the extra poles is not easy, ie the doubled/stitched end will not pass through the plastic gap without a great struggle to pull through...in fact I have not done it yet in case I'm not supposed to?

PS Thanks to Mole for all the advice before I bought the tent

Edited: 16/10/2011 at 13:42
16/10/2011 at 14:18

Hi Alan,

Welcome to the "Scarp" club mate

Regarding a foot print I made one out of a 15 year orange plastic survival bag, I also use it as ground mat when having my lunch so its doing double duty.

Team IO is still trading but on ebay.

I did not have much bother removing the strarps on my one but knowing Henry they could be using a slightly differnt fitting and straps (mine is 6 months old)  as he always updating his materials.

I pitched mine in the garden this morning to add some seam sealer strips to the inner floor, I also touched up my previous seam sealing job, I added a genourous amount to the cross pole connector patches on the fly, vents and on the cross pole loop on the top of the transverse pole.

Cheers,

Stephen

16/10/2011 at 14:27
I'd use a bit of Polycro but then I'm a lightweight..

I found it easy to remove the straps; but like Stephan said?
16/10/2011 at 14:55

 Hi Alan

Groundsheet protectors: I use an AMK Heatsheet blanket cut to size. Weighs less than 50g and surprisingly robust. It's not strictly necessary as the groundsheet is waterproof, despite some comments to the contrary. I had a flooding incident last year and the bath tub groundsheet proved up to the task and gave me enough time to pack my rucksack and bail out. Having said that, a bit of protection and keeping the groundsheet clean is worth the 50g weigh penalty.

It's definitely worth adding some silicone strips to the inside of the groundsheet to stop sleeping mats slipping. You must seal the pole arch and the crossing pole loop on the arch otherwise you will get some drips, not many, but enough to be annoying.

I found no problem removing the crossing pole straps. Perhaps the design has changed. 

Edited: 16/10/2011 at 14:56
16/10/2011 at 15:59

I knew I had one with the 'lifter' in use somewhere; this at about 2400m on a really warm but windy evening on an 'unofficial' variant on the TMB.


Unlike Robin I would not add silicone strips as I don't find the floor that slippy (perhaps it is my prodigious weight) and like a bit of 'wriggleability' with my pad; each to their own.

Edited: 16/10/2011 at 16:09
16/10/2011 at 16:10
Restless

Depends on what mat you are using. POE mats are particularly slippery. NeoAirs are not a problem. as you say, it's a matter of preference.
16/10/2011 at 16:13
I found my Neoair quiet slippy inside the Scarp even on a very flat patch on a site but then again I weigh about the same as the Neoair
16/10/2011 at 16:16

Thanks,

I've just removed the straps, they are a tight fit to get out, so ok on that score.

I've done the silicone strips, pole arch and the crossing pole loop etc.

I've got various ultra lightweight footprint that will do (Polycro/heat foil) which are ok, but a nightmare to lay if its windy, so wanted a more robust nylon type one for occasions when it would be needed.

I'll check out Team IO on ebay, any fresh comments on their service would be helpful. EDIT...Just done a search, could not find them, anyone got a link?

So Competition or Atko footprint?
Edited: 16/10/2011 at 16:20
16/10/2011 at 16:18
I like to be able to move my mat around a bit.

I thought you were quite fat Stephen - it must have been all that down you were wearing
16/10/2011 at 16:21

Oh ya, I was toasty warm on that trip 

16/10/2011 at 16:52

Alan

Rather than getting a footprint for a different tent why not get Sean at OookWorks to knock you up a bespoke one? He has a range of different fabics. It would be a doddle to give him the measurements. A Chikara one would be super lightweight

16/10/2011 at 16:54

Hi Alan

I have always put a footprint down after I've pitched a tent  - but I do have long arms to push it under the groundsheet!

I use polychro too, which can be cut to shape and have edges reinforced by folding clear parcel tape along them...  But, only used it twice so far with the Scarp as belt n braces (not sure if actually needed really!

Akto/LC footprints prob not suitable due to different assymetric inner geometry

Oookworks for bespoke footprints (edit - Robin types faster!)

Team Io is selling bits and pieces on Ebay (cheap polychro by the metre last time I looked) but since he stopped replying to customers and didn't come on the OM thread  to defend/explain himself I'd assume he doesn't do bespoke anymore?

Edited: 16/10/2011 at 16:56
16/10/2011 at 16:58

Hi Alan,

If you get a quote for an ookworks one let us know the specs and cost.

Cheers,

Stephen

16/10/2011 at 17:00
Mole wrote (see)

Hi Alan

I have always put a footprint down after I've pitched a tent  - but I do have long arms to push it under the groundsheet!

I use polychro too, which can be cut to shape and have edges reinforced by folding clear parcel tape along them...  But, only used it twice so far with the Scarp as belt n braces (not sure if actually needed really!

Same here, as said previously, Polycro flies all over even in a slight breeze so i've found it better to pitch the tent then push the footprint under one side then stretch and pull it through the other side. i use the Polycro all the time.
16/10/2011 at 17:32
I'm another who pitches the Scarp first then puts the protector under the groundsheet.
16/10/2011 at 17:35
I don't use one; being of the mind that I've (thus far) not managed to go through a groundsheet in many hundreds of wildcamps.

Although I guess for the first 25 years materials were a tad tougher ...and heavier.
Edited: 16/10/2011 at 17:35
16/10/2011 at 17:50

Thanks,

Have sent ookworks a message for price etc.

I will post the price etc here when I have a reply.

16/10/2011 at 17:53

Good man Alan,

16/10/2011 at 18:41

Very quick response, and on a Sunday!

Three options.... 90gsm PU (my standard groundsheet fabric) - £35 approx 300g 80gsm Silnylon - £35 approx 240g Chikara nylon - £50 approx 120g All with corner loops for attaching to pegging points.
16/10/2011 at 19:03
I vote for Chikara
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