Tent materials

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16/06/2012 at 10:06
I've noticed that when my cheap tents - MP2 and Vango - get a good soaking the material looks like it has damp patches although water is still beading on the outside away from the damp patches, and there is no leakage inside.
It doesn't seem to happen on my Akto so I guess it is due to the different material.

I'm curious to know what the actual reason for it is. Does anybody know, please?
Cheers
18/06/2012 at 00:27

Nobby

Don't know about the Vango but the MP2 is made with polyester .In theory that should not absorb water however having done some rain tests with that and other types of tent fabric it appears that it does.Those PU coated fabrics are coated on the inside so my oppinion is that they do wet out on the outside surface but the PU coating prevents them from dripping inside .After a few hours of heavy rain that material will be around 60% to twice as heavy as when dry , however it appears to dry faster than for example silnylon (your Akto...) although if you wipe silnylon down it then dryes very fast because water somehow clings to silnylon but does not penetrate because the fabric is impregneted with the silicone waterproofing so both sides are protected. Taffeta PU coated nylon behaves in a similar way to polyester.

Franco

Edited: 18/06/2012 at 00:27
18/06/2012 at 07:22

"Silnylon" is not a single thing, it's a name given to lots of nylon with silicone impregnation/coating combinations.  I don't know enough to know the relative merits of different approaches or how much difference different numbers of coating makes (the Akto will be double-coated on the outside and single-coated on the inside, IIRC, but I may not...).  I do know they're not all created equal!

Pete.

18/06/2012 at 07:47
Thanks for the answers.

Frranco - What is 'taffeta pu coated nylon'? Is it pertex, or something like that?

Is there a website that explains the characterisics of the different coated materials, please?

cheers
18/06/2012 at 08:18
Some points here :http://www.bushwalking.org.au/FAQ/FAQ_SiliconeVsPU.htmmany more here :http://www.wildequipment.com.au/article.php?article=lightweight_tent_fabricsand a quick easy guide here :http://www.abc-of-hiking.com/hiking-tents/tent-materials.aspBTW, the terms I used are the ones used by Luxe Outdoor to describe the fabrics they use.With silicomised fabrics some prefer the term "impregnated" rather than coated because the silicone penetrates the fabric rather than just sit on top of it.If you handle the type used by the US "cottage" manufacturers you will notice that there is no over  or under side , it all feels the same.However as noted above, some also add a PU coating to their "silnylon" to increase the waterhead rating however that has a side effect explained in the first link.Franco
18/06/2012 at 08:36
Thank you Franco.
18/06/2012 at 12:25

some also add a PU coating to their "silnylon" to increase the waterhead rating however that has a side effect explained in the first link.

I always thought the main point of a PU coating on silnylon was so you could subsequently add seam tape.  Pretty brain-dead though, 'cause it heat-ages the fabric and makes it weaker.  Better alternative is just to do the seams properly so they don't leak!

Pete.

18/06/2012 at 12:57
Those links were interesting reads.

I saw a MLD tarp tent recently, not sure what model, and it struck me that it was the same shape as the Mini Peak 2 but with the front doors replaced by two inverted triangles to create an open porch.

It occurred to me that I could make the same using the MP2 as a pattern. From the links that Franco posted I think silnylon would be good material.
Iirc, the earliest Blacks Good Companions (of similar single pole shape to the MP2) had a half door as a draft excluder that allowed plenty of ventilation. Nowadays you could complete the top half of the door with mesh and velcro it in place.
18/06/2012 at 13:00
ps In one of the links it said that sewing a patch wasn't viable, or words to that effect, as a field repair.
In the misty, past times sewing in a patch was exactly what we did. There weren't suitable adhesives or tapes that I recall.
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