Trouser/soft shell help

Advice needed please

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15/05/2012 at 07:57

I'm after some advice on trouser, I've always used Craghopper trousers for walking, with either a thermal base layer underneath or lined trousers for winter walking. However just getting back into walking properly after an accident that left me with fairly extensive scarring on my legs.

This is where I have found a problem with my choice in trousers. Basically if my legs get cold then the scars stiffen up and make it quite painful to walk, so what I need is a trouser that minimises wind chill as I have found that I can cope/adjust what I wear for ambient temperture but I am struggling with wind chill.

Any help would be much appreciated.

15/05/2012 at 09:04

Mind you with a softshell things might get hot in warmer times. Perhaps you might consider a system one for warmer times and one for colder times.

The softshells of mammut are top ones. I personally favor the Schoeller variants. very rugged fabric.

For warmer times you might think of combining a normal trousers with a paclite raining trousers to block wind if needed. When hot but still need to block wind use only the paclite trousers.

Paclite combines also reasonably with softshell trousers as it breathes better than other waterproofs.

15/05/2012 at 09:25

This could be a job for Captain Paramo!

Something like Cascadas are windproof and fairly warm.  And they'll even keep you dry.  Fuera trousers do the windproof bit without the extra warmth and waterproofing and as Zuma suggests for waterproof o-ts, you can wear them on their own or over something else. Montane Featherlites are another light windproof option that can be used alone or over something.

Pete.

15/05/2012 at 09:26

Just a caution about softshells here in general they're not that windproof - rather less than wind shirts quite often. Especially not some of the Schoeller fabrics. Done on purpose and more than fine for most people on legs, maybe not here.

Depends on what style/weight of Craghoppers is involved here but they'll have had some wind resistance.

Something really thick like Haglofs Rugged pants perhaps? Paramo style stuff for winter is a good option but maybe not needed. As an extreme measure there's stuff like windstopper style trousers, but I'd guess shouldn't need it.

(Air permeability figures not always trivial to get, might have to badger people to get the data.).

15/05/2012 at 09:44

Normally wear Kiwi trousers and have some no brand fleece lined trousers that I use when it is very cold.

 Thank you for the suggestions, I have resorted to using my over trousers before but would ideally like only to use them in poor (wet) weather.

15/05/2012 at 10:29

I'd go for a pair of Montane featherlite pants, hardly notice you're wearing them and they pack away to nothing.

15/05/2012 at 10:29
Have you tried rubbing tiger balm into the scars before setting out? Helps hugely! I had some horrific scarring on my forearm till it was cut out, had the same problem as you and found it helped me.

On the trousers front - Montane Featherlite 'pants' may be the thing you're after. Thin, light and stop the wind just like the windshirt. £35 from Chain Reaction Cycles... so not expensive.

I've recently bought some Berghaus Saltoro Extrem pants from theoutdoorshop for £60. They are advertised as windprooof and after being up high in sub zero temps a couple of weeks back, I can vouch for that. 4way stretch, not a heavy material and definitely usable in summer for me and I run hot. The red zips are the biggest drawback
15/05/2012 at 14:26
Many thanks for the advice, will now have to start having a look at the suggestions.
15/05/2012 at 20:04
What about tights underneath? Or if it's your lower legs, what about compression socks or calf guards?

Hope you get something that works, sounds painful mate
15/05/2012 at 20:21
Tights might be an idea, unfortunately the scarring is from ankle to cheek on the back of both legs
15/05/2012 at 21:34
I'd be tempted to try something like Under Armour leggings, like gridiron players use. They stand around a lot then go for it, so they're designed to work well at both extremes and then have a pair of the Montane Featherlites handy to go over the top when the winds blowing a hoolie.
Mur
15/05/2012 at 22:40
Something like a Montane Terra or a Rab Alpine Treck perhaps. Both very light but reasonably windproof.

I like Kelvins suggestion of some sort of underarmour garment, coupled with a lightweight trouser and Bob could indeed be your Uncle

Mur
15/05/2012 at 22:52
What is your size?
16/05/2012 at 08:14

Mal - I'm a 32 waist, 31 inch inside leg

16/05/2012 at 09:22
The Schoeller Mammut uses is fast drying (really really fast) and pretty windproof als nicely elastic. I agree in UK weather you'll need something of a true light waterproof shell as extra. Indeed the Montane stuff sounds right. 
16/05/2012 at 09:26
Ah, I can't help then, my Berghaus Cascade troosers are 36/32. They are softshell but have zippered thigh vents.
16/05/2012 at 09:49

Not calling the Schoeller trousers that Mammut make remotely bad

Its just that the Kiwi's are actually quite wind resistant in their own right - certainly the pair of classics I very briefly tested for this yesterday seemed as wind resistant as most trousers get. 

(I couldn't blow any air through, which you probably can a little with some Schoellers.).

Hence some slightly unsual measures might well be needed! Its certainly an unusually nasty sounding problem.

Leggings might be logical to try, so long as they don't irritate the scars directly of course.

16/05/2012 at 10:37

Thanks for the suggestions, will trial the underarmour approach and report back.

16/05/2012 at 11:04
Kelvin wrote (see)
I'd be tempted to try something like Under Armour leggings, like gridiron players use. They stand around a lot then go for it, so they're designed to work well at both extremes and then have a pair of the Montane Featherlites handy to go over the top when the winds blowing a hoolie.

yes indeed, i recently bought some from TK Maxx and they are rather lovely.
16/05/2012 at 19:57
Cotswold has got rab treklite pant @£39 at the moment if that's any help?
Mine arrived today and they seem pretty tidy although you may have to wear something beneath for extra warmth.
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