Ultra lightweight waterproof jacket

Do you use one?

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15/04/2002 at 09:10
After my latest expedition into the great outdoors it has become obvious that my trusty bombproof jacket is no use for backpacking due to its bulk and weight. (mostly bulk)

I have seen the new TNF Trail and Bilayer jackets and they look and feel superb - and other manufacturers have similar 'soft shells'. They are *lovely*, however 'water resistant' won't match up to my requirements when mountain walking and scrambling for a whole rainy day, will they?

Hmmm. What do the rest of you use? My present jacket, Talkeetna Parka, keeps out everything, even invading aliens (OK so I lied about the aliens). I snaffled it for a measly £60 (it was RRP £140) and I need to keep the budget waaaay down for a second jacket so don't go suggesting some state-of-the-art thing that costs over £100.

Can anyone help?

Thanks.
15/04/2002 at 09:15
my old jacket was a crag hopper membrain thingy that was very water-proof and breathable. i picked it up for £5o as ir was a seconds (they used a diffo colour tape inside.) it was unlined and light. Try that shop accross the road from the lakes supermarket in keswick. Itsa bit old now so i don't think Crag make that sort anymore.

Others to try would be the new karimore vail paclite etc
Si
15/04/2002 at 09:39
My l/w jacket is an ME Drilite Plus. Great hood, light, waterproof, breathes adequately for me, light enough, full length zip etc.
Only niggle is that the lining snags on the velcro, and occasionaly gets caught in the zip.

Very happy with it overall, not let me down yet.

HTH
Si(C)
15/04/2002 at 10:17
I've always used lightweight Waterproofs, I run just way too hot to wear anything else.
From way back in history:
Peter Storm: light, waterproof, breathes like a brick. Useless pockets, Good hood.
Regatta thingy: breathes like a fishing net and about as waterproof too. Quite good pockets, Robin Hood
Crag Hoppers Pakka: waterproof for 5 minutes, breathes like a steamtrain. Taped seams lasted a year. Very light. Crap pockets, HMS Hood.
Lowe Alpine TPC: Waterproof (provided you regularly reproof), breathe ability's not bad. Quite light. 'What has it got in it's pocketiss?' not a map for a start out. Hood's a bit of a flop (well the peak is).
I've also got a Pertex shell: Waterproof sofar. Quite light. breathes like a obscene telephone call (it's got more vent zips than a bondage outfit). Pockets? er no. Hood er might as well not have. A bit short for general walking (I use it for scrambling and MTBing).

I get over the hood problems by having a hat with a wired peak.

As I always buy last years model, I've not paid over £60.. yet.
15/04/2002 at 10:24
LA Adrenaline. Available in "womens fit", reasonably breathable, good hood with captured drawcords, full length zip plus velcro-closed stormflap, two (venting) pockets, one of which doubles as a stuff sack and a hem drawcord. Oh, and it's light. I use it in everything but the foulest weather. Might be a bit short for some people though.

Usually retails at about £80 although I noticed my local outdoor emporium had the pullover going for £40. V tempting but don't know if I could justify having two!

Trouble no one about their religion;

respect others in their view and demand that they respect yours.

~Chief Tecumseh~

15/04/2002 at 11:06
Hmmm.

Mike - I had the Regatta 'waterproof' - HAH! overtrousers so I would NEVER go that way again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The Bergyhaus Callisto looks pretty light - but I've not handled one yet to check, and it's in their Aquafoil fabric - I have the over Trs in this and it works OK. £60.

Adrenaline, eh? Forgot about that. £80 ish but last's year's colour will probably be in Gaynor Sports...I've never heard anyone complain about TP ceramic. I do use Techwash / TXdirect when necessary, like a good girl should.
Si
15/04/2002 at 12:07
Mates got an adrenalin smock, he's very impressed with it.

Si(C)
15/04/2002 at 12:55
heard the marmot precip is really good. pit zips increase breathability and it's supposedly pretty w/p. light and packable too. only thing's the price...still at £90 it's just about on par with ME drilite plus and the adrenaline
15/04/2002 at 13:33
LA Adrenaline. Got the smock last year and quite impressed. Very lightweight amd packable, hood's not bad, reasonably breathable. As long as you can get it cheap!
15/04/2002 at 14:48
Jeannie, a 'soft shell' and an 'ultra lightweight waterproof jacket' are two different things. Soft shells are made of ripstop-type or stretch fabrics, sometimes backed with a thin fleecy bonded lining. Lightweight waterproofs are the familiar rather crisp-packety goretex (or similar) garments, but with weight saving details such as thinner fabric, no lining, smaller cut, etc.

Soft shells have been around rather longer than the current marketing would have you believe. It's just that they used to be called windproofs. I wear mine (Patagonia Zephur, see review section) more than any other outer garment. It's fine for keeping off the light intermittent drizzle of a British summer, but I haven't been fool enough to test it in persistent heavy rain. I have to say I wouldn't fancy its chances. The main benefit of this type of garment over a full waterproof is vastly superior breathability. This means you can keep it on all day, rain or shine, which saves a lot of fiddle, especially if you're climbing.

There's another type of soft shell, made of thicker stretchy fabric such as Schoeller Dri. I have trousers made in this fabric, and again they're very breathable and fine in light rain, but will eventually saturate if it gets heavy enough. Mind you the large stretch panels in my elderly Patagonia Stretch Triolet jacket never let water through, and I've worn this in some pretty atrocious conditions. So check the manufacturer's claims for stretch fabrics; some may be more waterproof than others, but probably at the expense of breathability.

I bought my first lightweight waterproof last year, a Marmot Precip jacket.
This is every bit as good as a heavier jacket at keeping out water, and a little more breathable too, though nothing like as good as a windproof. It packs down to almost nothing, so its great for having in the bottom of your pack for emergencies. It's somewhat shorter than a regular jacket, and has a rather crap floppy cutaway hood, but otherwise keeps the rain off as well as a conventional jacket. It has one appalling design fault, which they may have rectified: the two velcro tabs for retaining the folded-away hood are on the same side of the hood, so you can't actually use them (you need one on the inside and one on the outside). Like any Marmot gear, you can buy this about 1/3 cheaper from the US. I only bought this model because it was half price at the time, but having looked round since, I think it has better features and cut than its competitors.

Rock and Run have a good offer on at the moment on a lightweight Patagonia waterproof:
http://www.rockrun.com/shop/prod.html?d=5&t=250&p=1769&sid=ffe17d4f0173db6900783cd9c69346cb#details
15/04/2002 at 14:48
Cheez, I do go on a bit.
15/04/2002 at 15:06
...A bit like Jon. And you both give equally sage outdoor gear advice. You're not related in some way are you?
15/04/2002 at 15:14
Like the photo Joan, is it the *real* you??

I do understand the diff between the soft shells and waterproofs BTW, but I leurve the feel of the s shells and they don't rustle much!

Thanks everyone for the post so far.

:0))
15/04/2002 at 17:56
I agree with Donovan and Joan here, the Marmot Precip sounds your best bet.

To differentiate it from the Adrenaline and Drilite, the main advatages are the pit zips, and better pockets. Having not worn one I can't talk about breathability.

The problem with any lightweight is that you don't get something for nothing. LTs are shorter - so short you _have_ to use overtrousers with them - and are thinner, so don't feel as 'protective', and have less features such as big pockets, good hood and the rest.

I once had a LA Adrenaline jacket and sold it to my Mum. In heavy rain it just didn't give the protection I wanted.

I now use a ME Skyline for light duty. It's a two layer Gore Tex which weighs around the same as Paclite for £100 less. I think it's only available at Cotswolds though.

It's surprisingly tough, and the design keeps water out just fine, and the breathability - as you would expect - is fine, though the pockets are small but adequate. Hood's good too. It just costs around £130 though :-(

LTs are overated in my opinion. I'm paranoid and always carry full waterproofs - my summer bag weighs over 7kg (inc food & water) - and that's pretty much the only time I carry my Skyline (with ME Drilite OTs). But then I reckon most people go without waterproofs in such conditions, ie when it's blatantly not going to rain.

If it is going to rain, I always carry my LA Alpine Flash, as I know nothing will keep me more comfortable, and that's worth the 400g weight penalty.

BTW the Talkeetna is a damn good jacket (when not leaking - I know several that have) and anything lighter will only weigh a coke can or so less, is it really worth it?
15/04/2002 at 17:57
Reckon that was actually shorter than Joan's, what's wrong with me?!
15/04/2002 at 20:01
Sir has the Talkeetna Light - it IS light and packable but mine is made from the more durable fabric and longer length and while not exactly lead-like, it does take up a *lot* of valuable space.

BTW what is LT?

R U paying me back 4 the ODG??
15/04/2002 at 20:26
U what?
15/04/2002 at 20:29
Err see the bouldering in the Lakes thread. Dan isn't au fait with lakes parlance and he was starting to get a persecution complex...

LOL
15/04/2002 at 21:18
Mrs F is still in the Market for a similar jacket...she tried on a Callisto the other day and was very impressed...She thinks it may be the one to go for herself!
15/04/2002 at 23:54
Only obvious prob with it is that the only pockets are right underneath the rucka straps and therefore inaccessible except if using it 4 walking in town..
the adrenaline pockets are higher up so reachable even when fully laden...
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