Ultralight air beds

Loss of faith

9 messages
17/07/2012 at 08:28
I really loved the TAR NeoAir when it first came out, but the one I got started deflating during the night after quite light use, and although the retailer did replace it I continue to have doubts about its durability. Now my POE Peak Elite AC has also given me that sinking feeling, this time in the middle of the Cairngorms at about 1000m. So have I just been unlucky, or are these things basically unreliable? Just curious to know how many OMers have had issues with them before I decide if I need to go back to a much less comfortable self infalting mat.
17/07/2012 at 08:44
I've used a Neoair short since they first came out and have never had a problem.
17/07/2012 at 08:51
Guy Hurst wrote (see)
 So have I just been unlucky, or are these things basically unreliable?

well, by it's very nature, statistically a proportion of inflatable mats/tyres/innertubes/footballs etc will get a puncture

 There does seem to be a huge amount of anecdotal stuff out there of all flavours of airmat leaking sooner or later.

often reparable, but personally I wouldn't fancy attempting a repair when wildcamping.

At least with a SI mat you get a little bit of insulation if it goes flat. And less faff to inflate - especially in a tiny tent in bad weather (or bivying!)

I have been trialling using just a ccf mat again this last year, and have suceeded sleeping ok when solo and can back-sleep (with my other half I have to side-sleep usually cos of the snoring with the former). Most times it's just 3/4 SI TAR. (I add a ccf in winter)

I bought a POE ether something for my OH, (one of the tougher ones) but that sprung a tiny leak right next to a seam (so not a part in contact with the ground even)...  Never again -

(except maybe an exped downmat for deep winter- which appear to have better reliability)

17/07/2012 at 09:27
I had a slow leak in my Neoair, which I found very annoying, it was very slow though, like over the course of the night when I'm sleeping on it. It was replaced under warranty, an issue with the seams

Haven't had a problem with the new one. I do tend to carry a very light CCF mat anyway, I use it under my neoair when sleeping on it to protect it a bit, and for kneeling and doing things on when I'm in my shelter in the evening (although I sometimes use the neoair for that as well). I'm also going to use when my neoair is converted into a chair.

If I'm honest I find them more delicate that SI mats, but a lot more comfortable which is the biggest pay off
17/07/2012 at 11:34

What ed says.

Closed cell mats -

17/07/2012 at 12:47
I had 2 neoairs in the past both of which delaminated within a few weeks of usage the first was replaced the second refunded.

I now use a cheap multimat adventure inflatable, its heavier at around 700g but is a lot sturdier and hasnt let me down yet and it only cost me £14 in a yeomans sale a ccf roll mat underneath helps with insulation and keeps sharp stuff at bay.
Mur
18/07/2012 at 22:11
I'm on my 2nd Peak Elite AC after the first went down on me, to coin a phrase, last year. It had worked fine for about 10 nights then deflated during the night. I couldn't find a leak and returned it for a new one.

The first night I used the replacement it deflated! I was lucky (foolish for not testing it properly?), I stuck it in a burn and found the leak pretty quick and a dod of seam grip sealed it up for the rest of the trip. It's now been returned and I haven't replaced it. I've also gone back to my old karimat.

Mur
19/07/2012 at 08:26

There is a tougher version of the NeoAir (Trekker) available if you're worried, and you can carry a puncture repair kit.

Not used our (original) NeoAirs that much, but they're just back from a 2 week cycling holiday where I've been most impressed with their comfort, both as beds and chairs.  More of a faff blowing them up, but the savings in space (weight too, but especially space) combined with much better comfort than a light SIM are well worth the cost for me.

Pete.

19/07/2012 at 11:27

One thing I have seen is mentioned somewhere is that apparently each new type of mat tends to need the way its produced adapting a bit. Combine that with the way thats its very hard to properly test the things for relatively rare failures and there's a potential (non trivial) risk to early adoption in terms of models.

Although the better folk do at least happily replace them.

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