Using down trousers and jacket instead of a sleeping bag?

Has anyone ever tried this?

16 messages
25/04/2012 at 13:42
I was thinking of some things I could do to save weight, and I wondered if down jacket, trousers and beanie might substitute for a sleeping bag and be be lighter to boot, as well as being multifunctional in terms of being daytime insulation. Thoughts?
25/04/2012 at 13:59
I'd say uncomfortable but doable in extremis. Having slept under boulders in the Alps in similar fashion I wouldn't plan to do it.
25/04/2012 at 14:19
Indeed a sleeping system is so much more comfy and important if you have to rest as best for the next day.
25/04/2012 at 14:44
i usually go with down jacket (as you say multi functional) and very light hike&bike sleeping bag. i find it nice to have something to pull over me.
25/04/2012 at 15:26

Not sure but suspect you might well actually have more material overall with the clothing, its certainly not an obvious saving. And you don't have the same sort of all body seal you've got with a bag. 

Much more viable for boosting sleeping bags (where there's room inside to let the clothing to still loft.).  

25/04/2012 at 16:05
I've no idea about the difference in efficiency but it's not something i'd do, i like the "cocooned" feel of a sleeping bag.

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25/04/2012 at 16:05
Agree with Martin, I think a decent pair of down trousers would probably weigh almost as much as a good sleeping bag, so unless you'd carry them anyhoo, just invest the money in a decent bag. I would say that a jacket/gilet is pretty good at boosting your bag's performance, particularly if you suffer from cold <insert body part here>. I use mine to keep my legs warm as I frequently get too cold in the leg area, or too hot up top if I use a thicker bag, and I can't afford to pay for one of PHD's custom stuffed bags (I settled for one on sale instead!)
25/04/2012 at 16:28
You can get half sleeping bags that are designed to be combined with jackets, for example: http://www.nunatakusa.com/site07/other_bags/akula.htm (I'm sure I found 1 from a more well known, easier to get hold of in the UK manufacturer a while back but can't find it now).  Seems like that might be a lot better than down trousers while still allowing you to save weight on the top half by using a jacket.
25/04/2012 at 16:53

your metabolic rate falls while asleep so you get colder then. There is real logic in needing more insulation while asleep. It may not be as much as a thick down bag and down under you is compressed and of not much insulation value. Insulating your arms and legs separately is a waste of insulation with arms and legs together. A light top bag, insulation under and a down jacket might be the lightest system. It might be warmer to take your arms out of the jacket and pull the sleeves inside across your  chest to sleep too!

I use a platypus and a foam cooking cosy in a dry bag as a hot water bottle for no extra weight if our light sleep system appears inadequate on an unexpectedly cold night.

25/04/2012 at 17:21

Think of gloves and mittens... mittens are lighter and warmer at the same basic spec.  Similarly, trousers will be heavier and cooler than a similar spec of bag.

Pete.

25/04/2012 at 19:12

 It would depend on what time of year you are thinking about using this.

 If in winter you'd need such high rated clothing, a bag and lighter clothing whould weigh about the same, would also allow more options.

25/04/2012 at 19:38
I've tried it and didn't like it at all. The jacket gets twisted and a gap always appears at the small of your back as soon as you get to sleep.
25/04/2012 at 22:51
Thanks for your experiences, might look more into that half sleeping bag thing. Failing that could just get a very light sleeping bag and sleep in a fleece.
GOF
25/04/2012 at 23:47

I have a pair of fleece trews and 100wt fleece pully for cold nights - combined with a lighter weight bag.

If it looks to be distinctly chilly, I have a pair of snugpak insulated trews and a belay jacket - but thats as much so, if I have to get up I am semi dressed

GOF
26/04/2012 at 00:15
I have changed for below zero nights from an Ultralite (rated -7c , about right in my experience) to a Summerlite (0c) and down top and bottom.(both Western Mountaineering Flash, very light but not meant to be used walking...)The amount of down is about the same but of course because of the extra fabric it is a bit heavier however as I use the clothes at camp I carry less weight and bulk.Down keeps the same R value when compressed a bit but too much would be uncomfortable so yes keep that in mind (not a problem for me...)Wearing down clothing is commonly done at really low temps because they allow for a more comfortable night relief break or a quick escape in some situations.. (ice or predators)Franco
26/04/2012 at 23:06

Daniel, that's what I have. I use down trousers and booties with keela belay jacket. I also use a silk mummy bag liner, I think that's important, stops air currents around you. No problem with this set up all last summer, total weight of night time gear is 532gr

for the winter I got a 100gr per sq mtr sleeping bag from poundstretchers, (£6.99)  cut it off at chest area, made 2 loops to go over the shoulders, ditched the silk liner and this set up did me for 2 night on Ben Nevis to -15 last January for a total weight of 948gr (in a Marmot alpinist bivi bag)

Have just finished my upgrade to 150gr per sq mtr Highlander soft tec mummy sleeping bag, used 2 weeks ago at -1 and no problem

Went for a mix of technology after reading Andy Kilpatrick on the same subject

Alpkit Pipedream 200 is the half bag you might be thinking of Robert, will be on sale this summer, it uses a gillet extension (unfilled material). This is important area when thinking about half bags, my own learning curve with loops (braces) under or over the jacket, or under the middle layers, a lot of heat dumped when going for a wee in the middle of the night. it's very important to have something to hold the bag up.

As always the ground insulation is ultra important,

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