Victorinox or Leatherman?

Good or Crud?

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21/06/2003 at 19:53
Last year i puchased a leatherman Pulse believing that these tools were the dogs dangly bits!
The first time i thought alll was not well was when i used the the possy-drive screwdriver to put up a curtain rail.This was the first time i had used the tool and the screwdriver started to round off! The final straw was when my wife asked me to open a tin of beans when we were camping,this time the locking mechanism broke!
Leatherman to their credit offered me a replacement but i chose to have a cash refund and promptly purchaced another Victorinox of which i have a few models.One of my Victorinox is now about twenty years old and has never let me down.I wondered if anybody else has had any similar experiences?
23/06/2003 at 11:32
Not used a leatherman, but have used Victorinox SA knives, absolutely brilliant, had one for 15+ years, but sadly just lost it :-(
Si
23/06/2003 at 12:01
Never had a problem with Leathermans yet.

Posi / philips drivers can be rounded fairly easily, especially if they are used in the wrong size / type of screw.

Posi-drive and Philips screws are different, and using the wrong type of bit will often damage IT or the screw head.

Having said that, I've no broken my 14 yr ol SA knife yet, despite loads of abuse.

Top kit.

Si(C)
23/06/2003 at 13:50
never used a leatherman, but have had a Gerber multitool for about 5 years now, and it has taken masses of abuse, being used at home, on the bike, and out sailing.

Best of all, if you do break anything (and the smaller flatblade screwdriver has been known to shear, you can replace individual tools.

Top bit of advice I was given to stop it rusting (which in a marine environment they will) was to put it in a small oven dish, cover it with olive oil, and then stick it in the oven on max temp for 20 mins. When it comes out, using something other than your hands drop it into a sink full of cold water.

It works in the same way as blueing a pan, actually burning the oil into the surface of the metal, and is absolutely brilliant. Lubrication on all the joints, and rustproofing in one simple trick.
23/06/2003 at 16:28
Alternatively, heat it up with a blowtorch to about 800c (cherry red), pick it up with tongs and drop it into a can of old/used engine oil.

Called oil-blacking. Works a treat.

But I wouldn't do it on something precious...use DD's method ;o)
Si
23/06/2003 at 16:34
Ideal if you want to knacker the blades I'd guess!

Si(C)
23/06/2003 at 16:38
Well actually, 800c wouldn't knacker them at all, no warping, bending nor twisting...but I still personally wouldn't do it on a precision instrument.
23/06/2003 at 16:43
Apart from the naff heat treatment....
23/06/2003 at 16:49
Mike - you've lost me..
Si
23/06/2003 at 16:57
It would affect the temper of the blades.

Si(C)
23/06/2003 at 17:01
They might become grumpy, but the average domestic oven will just leave them feeling greased up and happy :~)
23/06/2003 at 17:07
Tempering of steel...

Depends if you cool them quickly or slowly...quenching in oil (i.e. cold oil) would make them harder but more brittle. Whereas if the oil was hot and they cooled slowly (i.e annealling them), they would become tougher (i.e. impact resistant) but not as hard.

For a hard, sharp, cutting surface, quenching would be good...for a hammer head, annealling is the way to go. For something like a cold chisel, anneal the top and quench the striking edge.

(yawn)
Next!
23/06/2003 at 17:09
As Si says heating and quenching affect the temper (hardness) of the steel.
23/06/2003 at 17:11
As Jeannie says, read my post above to explain how different cooling rates affect the internal crystalline structure of the metal.
23/06/2003 at 17:16
Oops 2 mins too late..
However it's not quite the way steel (or even alu alloy) is tempered these days, though I expect someone is still using bones to case harden...
23/06/2003 at 17:23
Or what I'm trying to say is the the makers of leatherman are probably using a fairly sophisicated methode of heat treatment (At the price I should hope so) so you stand a chance of buggering it up with a bit of diy.

Of cource use it loads of times and you can work-harden it.....
23/06/2003 at 17:27
THAT'S WHY I said I wouldn't do it that way on a Leatherman......nowt wrong with DIY though, generally speaking.
23/06/2003 at 17:30
Jeannie THERE IS LOTS WRONG WITH DIY...
23/06/2003 at 17:31
Keeps me from the outdoors.......

And why does Michele always want to go to B&Q on a Bank Holiday Momday.....
23/06/2003 at 17:34
Typos typos, think I've dipped my keyboard in too much oil...
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