Waiting for Graphene

as a wonder membrane?

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24/05/2012 at 13:22

I was having a bit of a wikipedia binge on graphene and its properties and noticed that it has been shown to have potential as a membrane that is neither gas or liquid permeable but yet can pass water vapour was well as if there was nothing there...?!?

Anyone comfortable reading the scientific literature could start here:
http://www.condmat.physics.manchester.ac.uk/pdf/mesoscopic/publications/graphene/2012%20science%20water.pdf

John

24/05/2012 at 13:47

Whoooosh!

Didn't get too far before it was quite obviously well beyond me...

24/05/2012 at 13:50

I'd certainly not claim to understand it all - but the statement that intrigued me was when the team found that water was evaporating as fast from the container (measured as weight loss of the contents)  with the Graphene Oxide membrane as when the container was open  :

"

Unexpectedly, we observed a

huge weight loss if the container was filled with

water. Moreover, the evaporation rate was practically

the same as in the absence of the GO film;

that is, for the open aperture (Fig. 2A and fig. S3)."

24/05/2012 at 13:53

I suspect that this will find applications in military/industrial applications where you could protect a person from hazardous gases & liquids while still allowing perspiration to escape. Later... maybe... it'll have a helmet-compatible hood and contrasting colour zips

25/05/2012 at 12:45

Some good stuff here too.

First applications in weaponery? - really John, you're too old to be so cynical!

25/05/2012 at 13:27

thanks for the links grumps. a truly strange substance.

i tried to read it john. the Samaritans phones were engaged.

25/05/2012 at 19:17

Thanks for that.  They allude to water purification as a potential application, and the fact that it only detectably impedes water when the layer is "several micrometers" thick is interesting, as that is getting to be a handlable thickness.  

Allowing water to pass unimpeded in either direction whilst blocking even helium is impressive.  Pobably no good for breathable waterproofs, though...

26/05/2012 at 13:29

i think its only one atom thick.

thats too thin for these uses.

its very conductive and has applications in electronics.

also - silicene

26/05/2012 at 14:26

i think its only one atom thick.

A single sheet is one atom thick.  But there's nothing stopping you having more than one.

26/05/2012 at 14:58
For electronics it does want to be one atom thick - you get very useful properties when constraining electrons to to a very narrow layer.
26/05/2012 at 22:58
Plus if its more than one layer thick, its not really graphene, it would be very thin graphite, in fact you can make graphene with a pencil lead and sellotape, as for use in the outdoors nothing really springs to mind, although perhaps in the future we will see graphene introduced into water filtration systems?
26/05/2012 at 23:22
The paper talks about a flexible material made from graphene flakes rather than a single layer as far as I can determine. So yes - potential for a useable material.
27/05/2012 at 09:43

It is actually talking about graphene oxide

So would be multiple layers of that

27/05/2012 at 11:14
I had a thought today, could having an inner tent lined with the stuff prevent condensation seeping through preventing sleeping bags getting wet from rubbing against the sides?
28/05/2012 at 08:33

What an excellent paper - cheers for pointing it out; these Manchester boys are pretty good at the moment... What struck me was how the GO seems to act exactly like a normal membrane (eg. PTFE or PU etc) with respects to pressure differences on either sides of it, but behaves in a completely bizarre way with the water selectivity.

I don't think graphene or its derivatives will be used in the outdoor industry's waterproof clothing in the near future. However, this is a membrane that has unbelievable selectivity, and someone now need to work out the reason for this efficacy (the paper doesn't give a full explanation) then see if it can be modelled in more conventional polymers. If the spaced monolayers can be made in PTFE, or, preferably, PE, then they would likely have the same properties as the GO, which would be powerful indeed. Not only that, but the selectivity could be tuned to provide barriers for different solvents or chemicals, which would be vital to haz-suits and chem-weapon guys. There's probably another Nobel Prize in that.

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