WAAS/EGNOS compatibility

Can my Garmin Geko receive EGNOS signals?

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07/03/2009 at 10:07
My Geko 201 has been updated to the latest available software and can receive WAAS (Wide Area Augmentation System) signals which only cover North America. EGNOS (European Geostationary Navigation Overlay Service) is the European equivalent of WAAS. I've read that a WAAS-enbled GPS receiver can pickup EGNOS signals but I'm not clear whether EGNOS is yet operational. If not, is there any point in tuning my receiver to WAAS when in Europe?

Can anyone clarify this for me? If EGNOS signals are not available, what is the date for their implementation?

   
07/03/2009 at 10:31

Your Geko WILL pick up EGNOS - just enable WAAS.

You may have to do a full reset though (if you've previously used  WAAS).

Full reset: switch it off. Now hold down the OK, Page and Power button. Confirm reset.

Once you have a lock, you'll see the "D"s appears on the sattelite signal strength page.

07/03/2009 at 11:31

Many thanks, druidh! I've just completed the process successfully even though I never expect computer-based commands to work.

I'm going to the United States at the end of the month so, presumably, I'll have to reverse the process.
Edited: 07/03/2009 at 11:32
07/03/2009 at 11:51
Just leave it set on WAAS and the US sats will pick it up; you will have to change region, map datum and so forth though...
07/03/2009 at 11:54
The first time you use it in the US expect the first fix to take around 15 minutes as the Geko will initially be confused until it's downloaded a complete new ephemera data set from the satellites.
07/03/2009 at 14:20

andThank you Edh and Dave but I have another question.

I've performed the reset and entered the variables of time, datum etc. The 'D's appear in the Advanced Skyview and 'Diff' in the Normal Skyview. If I then switch off the receiver and a few minutes later switch on again, neither the 'D's nor 'Diff' appear on the screen. Is the receiver still EGNOS enabled or has it reverted to WAAS and, if so, how can I tell?

Edited: 07/03/2009 at 14:24
07/03/2009 at 21:19
Hugh, WAAS = EGNOS. It's the same setting as far as the Geko is concerned. The reboot ensures you get a clean set of satellite "co-ordinates". Once set up, it should stay in WAAS mode all the time. You may need to give it a few minutes though.
07/03/2009 at 23:03
So the 'D's and 'Diff' om the screen disappear once the Geko has been rebooted?
07/03/2009 at 23:10

The D's will re-appear once the Geko has re-established a differential signal. This takes longer the further it has been moved while switched off (I don't mean by a few feet - we're talking tens/hundreds of miles). 15 minutes isn't unheard of.

Just to re-iterate:

  • Enable WAAS (EGNOS)
  • Geko finds signal
  • Geko shows Ds
  • Switch Geko off
  • Switch Geko on
  • Wait a few minutes 
  • Hey presto - Ds re-appear.

If you've moved contintent, doing a full reset might help establish the connection quicker as it clears out any "old" satellite data.

TBH - I never bother with WAAS/EGNOS. The signal is often poor in the north (Scotland) and the added accuracy isn't really of any use to me.

08/03/2009 at 09:04

I used to think WAAS was great when my GPS used to tell me it was accurate to 3m.....but like druidh I soon realised that the maps were not and that that level of accuracy does not matter to the average walker and probably means batteries don't last as long....

It took my Geko 301 20 minutes or so to realise I had flown to the USA last summer when I powered it up - that unit asks 'have you moved several hundred miles since your last use' or something like that, the Geko 201 does not iirc.

Lithium batteries for thiese units are a good deal in the USA, I usually bring loads back.

Edited: 08/03/2009 at 09:05
08/03/2009 at 11:18

Many thanks, druidh, for your patient explanations!

I had not appreciated that picking up the EGNOS signals occurs some time after the 'Ready to navigate' message appears on the screen. In effect, it's a two-stage process.

I agree with you and Edh that the extra accuracy is unimportant especially as I'm a map and compass man and only carry my receiver when leading walks, and then only as an insurance against litigation should something go wrong.

I travel to the US from time to time and am aware that the Geko takes some time to adjust to new surroundings.

Edited: 08/03/2009 at 11:20
08/03/2009 at 12:02

Or you could just go into "System"  "Gps mode" "ok" "WAAS".....

Edited: 08/03/2009 at 12:03
08/03/2009 at 12:06

Some info on Egnos HERE!!

I did have a thread myself about this same thing,i will see if i can dig it out.

08/03/2009 at 12:31

Some info on Egnos HERE!!

I did have a thread myself about this same thing,i will see if i can dig it out. here.

20/11/2009 at 11:42
I have a WAAS enabled Geko 201 and can't get a WAAS satellite to show. I've done a reset as described above but still no Ds in the satellite bars. The location is central England so I'd have thought there'd be no problem. Am I missing something, or am I not waiting long enough after "ready to navigate"? Any thoughts would be appreciated.
20/11/2009 at 13:50
Sorry chaps, back to the firehouse - false alarm. It does pick up EGNOS ok but you have to be patient for up to 15-20 minutes.
20/11/2009 at 13:52
the egnos signals are broadcast by satellite numbers above 30 (?) i believe.
20/11/2009 at 16:22
PA -  that's interesting, I'll keep a closer eye on the satellite IDs as they come up. By the way, do you know when this new Galileo system is due to function and what improvement it will be over the present US gps?
20/11/2009 at 17:37
Parky has all the chassis numbers and everything
20/11/2009 at 18:02

erm..i only think it's 30 - it's certainly the high number ones anyway.

galileo system. involves many governments (and the chinese making an investment to rip all the technology/ideas off) and money, as always, is very tight. and unfailing international cooperation...

i last heard, on rdaio 4, some time ago that they had done some critical distance/fail testing with the egg nog which it passed but i've no idea what the current status of anything is. (5 meters is rather critical if you're trying to land a plane)

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