sorry paddy will have to get where going first with the mrs and everything we need for the weeks self catering so car will be full and not sure what time going through, but if you can get anywhere near on the other days i could meet up ?? on tue am planning on setting off from fell side and up roughten gill, knott, great calva, then over to keswick over skiddaw or if short of time follow the easier route round the bottom. cheers