Tent material

how water proof?

12 messages
07/07/2012 at 21:19

Tent makers go on about the hydrostatic head of tent material. Whats that all about ? Some American tents seam a lot lower than the ones made for the UK market. Is silicone nylon the best tent material on the market ?

07/07/2012 at 23:01

Any tent material with a HH of 5000, should be enough, unless something touches material from inside. Then it won't matter how high or low HH is, water will pass through that point.

 SiNy is lighter and 'supposedly' more waterproof than other materials, but not as UV resistant as PU. So I've been told.

 I've not noticed any differance, apart from the weight advantage.

08/07/2012 at 00:20

I'll have a bash at a reply too.

Basically hydrostatic head is a measurement of how waterproof a material is, something with a hydrostatic head of 5000 means the material can resist the pressure of a 5 meter high column of water before water would pass through. Waterproof material is generally accepted as anything over 1500 if memory serves me right.

I guess the less changeable weather in certain parts of the states allows one a longer forecast so the ability to carry a tent with a tiny HH. 

That's the short version, when someone with a longer explanation comes along maybe you should ask them about silnylon misting too.


Include a little history in your walks. Pecsaetan - Ancient Derbyshire, Staffordshire and South Yorkshire - http://pecsaetan.weebly.com/

Edited: 08/07/2012 at 00:21
GOF
08/07/2012 at 09:41
TBH...I dont think there is an easy answer this as - for instance - the most waterproof material I know of is DPM as used in building. Fantastic stuff...would you make a tent of it..errrrr...anyone got a white transit van with two coffee cups and a newspaper on the dashboard to carry it around with?

all materials have a set of properties (this is similar to the Goretex vs Event vs Paramo discussion) and, IMHO, are nearly all a bit irrelevant when you get out in the field. I go for tent design first, followed by material. If I cant comfortably use the tent then I am not interested.
GOF
08/07/2012 at 10:33

twiglegs is right hydrostatic head is a test of how much weight of water that the fabric can take before failure. You dont need a very high number but the higher the better in some ways as tend to mean it'll last longer, but the trade off is normally price and abit weight.

Is silicone nylon the best tent material on the market ? Yes-ish. To generalise It's stronger, lighter and doesn't absorb water into the weave compared PU coated but the user does need to seam-seal it. But there's lots of different tent fabrics out there including combos.

08/07/2012 at 10:39
huskyman wrote (see)

Any tent material with a HH of 5000, should be enough, unless something touches material from inside. Then it won't matter how high or low HH is, water will pass through that point.

Are you talking about condensation or water leaking through the outter?

 btw it's other way round with UV.

08/07/2012 at 14:46

To clarify misting - thats basically micro leaks through some of the lighter/less coated versions and seriously unclear how much of it is condensation.

Definetly huge differences in the silicone coated nylons being used. (by essentially everyone.).

HH does degrade with time of course - there's a massive emperical study of how that works out for cuben and some very light sil nylons on this backpackinglight forum thread: here. (and maybe other follow ups.).

08/07/2012 at 15:29
I wonder how important HH is for flysheets. My first tent, like many here I expect, used cotton canvas. Obviously it was not up to same levels of waterproofness / HH as modern nylons but I don't recall water ever getting in (aside from via eyelet hole near A frame). Obviously the material was proofed but even so I doubt it had a HH of 5000 let alone 1500! If water is not pooling on your fly I wonder what level of HH is actually needed?
08/07/2012 at 17:53

A flysheet rated at  3000 HH or more is generally adequate but the groundsheet should be more, say 5000HH or more.  (I own a LC2 20111)  

Edited: 08/07/2012 at 17:53
08/07/2012 at 18:47
FT, I was refering to something touching fly from inside tent, not condensation
08/07/2012 at 20:14
nonsense Husky.

if you touch a waterproof (>1000mmHH) fabric it lets water through? !

eh?

how do groundsheets do their job then?




08/07/2012 at 21:42
huskyman wrote (see)
FT, I was refering to something touching fly from inside tent, not condensation
What like same tent poles on an inner first tent?
Your say
email image
12 messages
Forum Jump  
Sign up to our weekly newsletter
Sign up to our twitter feed

Promotions