Yes Rob, sadly, I live in Stafford, Joan, the stuff on Snowdon was mainly a small coating of watery snow which had partially melted, then frozen to give a really loveley slippy surface, I think, judging by the number of folks who were falling on their arse, the use of crampons, was "advisable", we used ours for the start of the descent, it may seem like overkill, but it stopped any of our party finding it difficault standing up, unlike many people around us
