Ban 4x4's

stephen Postle

27/04/2004 at 07:42

Why Ban recretional 4x4's as most damage I see is caused by agricutural and forestry vehiles that will not be baned!
4x4 users pay road tax, insurance and people to look after there vehicles, quite oftern at a larger cost than walkers, they also contribute to the local income when staying away from there local area.
I admit there are bad as well as good 4x4 owners the same goes for mountain bikers horse riders and walkers.
There is several 'emergancy' support groups of 4x4 owners who help in bad weather and other times of need, who if they did'nt drive at other times would not be available when needed.
try reading some of the reports on byway usage pas and present, it details how wagons where stuck in mud for days in the past and how considerate modern usage keeps the ways open to all.
Final passing shot as a 4x4 owner I have been on working days clearing rights of way never yet seen a Rambler only heard comments I pay my tax why should I clear the paths!

Weird Darren

27/04/2004 at 08:15

stephen,
this has been dealt with indepth from I think all angles now in previous threads in the last couple of months. In fact I started one of them. It maybe worth having a read of them to get an idea of peoples opinions on this matter.

Matt

27/04/2004 at 08:16

Stephen this has been done recntly on here you probably won't get alot of replies....

Matt

27/04/2004 at 08:17

sorry Darren posts crossed....:)

stephen Postle

27/04/2004 at 08:52

Yes it has been done recently but with Defra now getting involved and trying to stop off roading I felt it needed being kept in the news/picture as 4x4's now what next? just look at canoeing very limited where you can paddle with one sport trying to limit another! 4x4's now Mountain bike next? as highlighted on TV recently
Let the countryside be for all responsible users.

Parky Again

27/04/2004 at 18:04

quite right. why should you clear the paths, after all, you are only doing it so that you can drive your vehicle along it or is there some other altruistic motive.

have you a suggestion as to how farmers can get their ploughs to their fields without a tractor or how forestry work can be undertaken without an appropriate vehicle.

(coat being donned)

Marcus Crompton

27/04/2004 at 19:10

Canoeists shouldn't be allowed on byways.

captain paranoia

27/04/2004 at 19:22

> Let the countryside be for all responsible users

That, I think is the nub of the problem. Irresponsible walker/MTBer cannot cause too much erosion without a lot of hard, physical effort. Irresponsible off-roader can do huge amounts of damage simply by pressing their pedal to the metal. And sadly, I've seen too many examples of irresponsible off-roaders.

Hamish Fenton

27/04/2004 at 19:33

canoeists only use the byways because there are great big ruts full of water

stephen Postle

28/04/2004 at 07:00

Re the Irresponsible walker/MTBer they do cause damage just look at the work the national parks have to do to maintain paths that historicaly only where walked by a few between villages and now have hundreds walk them every week. Just look at the local ramblers who walked a path near me two coaches of them walked a path now you should see it!
As far as the canoiest comments grow up!

Marcus Crompton

28/04/2004 at 08:22

zzzzz

Weird Darren

28/04/2004 at 09:32

Stephen,
read previous posting - all this has been discussed recently. And is now for the time being JUST BORING. Hello we've done this to death.

Parky Again

28/04/2004 at 12:47

argument for not banning 4x4's well put there stephen.
i'm sure the local coucil committee (and public opinion) will be swayed by such erudite dialogue.

stephen Postle

28/04/2004 at 17:41

Parky Most of the rights of way worked on have been footpaths! as I just enjoy the countryside.
As reguards farmers and forestry work yes they need machines but other users should not be blamed for the damage have yet to see a 4x4 that leaves deeper than 10" rutts.

Ddyrchafedig Gyrrwr (Beic Modur)

29/04/2004 at 11:13

Yep,

all covered in previous thread, every single boring reference and incomparable comparison!!!!!!

Ddyrchafedig Gyrrwr (Beic Modur)

29/04/2004 at 11:22

Oh.

In case you missed this link, this is damage caused near to me that was NOT done by agricultural/forestry vehicles!
damage

Ninja Marmot

29/04/2004 at 11:30

Tony - I'd not seen that before. It's hideous. Thank you for bringing it to our attention.

Oh, and for other poster(s), as Marcus so succinctly put it, ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

Parky Again

29/04/2004 at 12:54

indeed...zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!

Hamish Fenton

29/04/2004 at 13:21

Stephen, why don't you just read some of the other threads on this subject such as this one: Vehicles on green lanes - Have your rant here there are more, everything has recently been discussed to death.

Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z ¿ ¿ ¿

Hodge

29/04/2004 at 16:58

Poo, looks like I missed out on the mass debate.

Ah well, may as well jump on the zzzzzz bandwagon anyway.

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