Cairns

that cairns nonsense

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14/11/2001 at 22:01
What a stupid f@cker!
since when did incompetent people rely on cairns to navigate? Most of them dont even realise they are not natural formations! lets face it if you are stupid enough to go out without the right kit or adequate knowledge the absence of a few cairns aint gonna stop you!
By all means trash the cairns if thats the bag you are into but as a means of promoting hill safety?
A waste of time.
15/11/2001 at 18:08
Very true...I prefer to look at the view!
16/11/2001 at 17:21
You cannot navigate by cairns. OK those big ones you find on top of some hills (Tinto, most Irish hills) will give you a fair indication of where you are, but the idea that there are lines of cairns showing the route is nonsense. There would be a big motorway as well, and there is so much noise in the form of other cairns.

For the most cairn infested top, see Slieve Snaght (Inishowen Co Donegal)

18/11/2001 at 19:52
I'm no mountain virgin and I do know my way around a map and compass, but there have been times in poor visibility and relatively featureless terrain when I've been glad to see the occasional cairn. This especially applies when the other signals you might pick up on - angle of slope, 'handrails' etc - can produce some confusion.
24/11/2001 at 10:11
If you are lost
how do you know which cairn it is? if its not on the map it does not help if it is on the map it may be of some use.
If you dont have a map......
you probably think its a rock-mole-hill.
30/11/2001 at 11:51
Didn't say I was lost - just looking for confirmation that the path I expected to find was actually here; or that the route across the boulder field I was crossing was the 'right' one. I stress I'm talking reassurance in adverse conditions here, not reliability. I can remember a couple of occasions when all the signals were confusing, including the compass readings I was getting in the Bowfell area in zero effective visibility. And there was a close-to-panic half hour in a bitterly cold total white-out (fog AND snow) on the east side of the Fairfield horse shoe. As it got dark, I and my companion were very tired after a long day, and could make little sense of anything. In those conditions, when your brain tells you to go in one direction and your compass tells you something different, a simple thing like a cairn - and finding the next one - can focus your mind.
I suppose if you've never experienced these conditions, or if you're a fine weather outdoors type who ONLY follows obvious paths (where cairns just get in the way), then yes, you can be dismissive of the utility of cairns, and insulting to those who think that they may have their place. Of course I know the difference between a cairn and a rock-mole hill, and yes I do think there are too many cairns in unnecessary places. All I said was, there have been occasions when they were useful to me.
01/12/2001 at 19:25
The Bedouin in Wadi Rum in Jordan add an extra dimension into cairns. Firstly carinds tell you the route, which in that terrain is pretty life saving as you are unable to get across the top of a hill without following a line of cairns as there are no maps available to be able to pick out every hummock and rock on the top of one of their plateaus. Navigating exclusively involves cairn use, by trying to spot the next cairn from the previous one - a lot of time is spent wandering around as you missed a small insignificant pile of rocks amongst many other small insignicant piles of rocks! However the extra dimension comes in as they also build cairns to show you which way you really don't want to go as it is too dangerous!!
Cairns are fine out in Wadi Rum as there is no alternative, howvever I do have a problem with the seemingly unhealthy need for more and more cairns to be built generally by people hving their lunch and wanting to leave a mark - leave only footprints, take only photographs!
01/12/2001 at 22:22
I was not referring to anyone in particular! just a sort of rant at anything!
02/12/2001 at 10:00
Not sure what all the fuss is about. From what I understand no parts of the UK have a lanscape untouched by human activity (often involving sheep). So what's one more or less pile of rocks? As long as said rocks aren't neon coloured, I couldn't care less.
--Mjausson
03/12/2001 at 09:09
I never touched flossie, it wasn't me honest!
03/12/2001 at 11:15
Considering your, umm, small frame we'll believe you. In an encounter with a sheep, you're more likely to be eaten by mistake.
--Mjausson
04/12/2001 at 10:00
On Kinder it would be deliberate - the sheep there have gone pyscho over the years. I reckon they builds cairns as well, to cover their victims after they've eaten their sandwiches of course.

OutdoorsMagic Editor | jon@outdoorsmagic.com 

05/12/2001 at 12:12
I have photographic evidence as to the psychotic nature of the sheep on Kinder...but at the moment it's part of a display on teaching leadership skills to children.
Yes, the sheep were the victors of the encounter. I reckon that they are really aliens and we should all do as they say or else we're all doomed, doomed, I tell you.
05/12/2001 at 13:41
Well if thats the case I'm buggered as I am in a country where there are more sheep than peoople
05/12/2001 at 15:18
Derbyshire?
Although sheep are cute, I think that cows are friendlier. Those big, sad eyes....
05/12/2001 at 15:54
'Sheep are cute'?????

No...... Sheep are dangerous and fierce. Cows are much nicer.

OutdoorsMagic Editor | jon@outdoorsmagic.com 

05/12/2001 at 20:29
I'm beginning to think that some people are 'Sheepist'. Hmmm.
The ones up the top of the Great Orme are also inclined to attack without justification. But - I cannot help the fact that they look cute and woolly and make innocent 'baaa-ing' noises. (I was talking about fell-walkers, of course. Sheep behave in a similar manner too.)
(tongue well and firmly in cheek)
05/12/2001 at 20:34
Careful what you say Jon...Bob could be hurt by your obvious "sheepist" jibes.

He says that it is the cows that you need to keep an eye on. Don't trust a species that masticates ALL the time! (oo-er!)
05/12/2001 at 20:43
I stayed at a farm in the North York Moors last weekend and discovered that you can train cows to defacate to order. It's helpful cos then they don't sh@t in your face while you're milking them. The usual way is to yank on a chain.
Can you house-train sheep?
05/12/2001 at 20:46
Bob never makes a mess...
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