Isle of Lewis Windfarm

Permission Denied!

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RaR
25/01/2008 at 13:17

Excellent news.

That is 181 less of these pointless things. 

25/01/2008 at 13:19
hope it wasn't denied beacuse they'd just received the plans for the new nuclear power station.
25/01/2008 at 13:35

Back of the net.

RaR
25/01/2008 at 14:16

I may be wrong, but I think that the the new Nuclear power stations will be built on the sites of existing de-comissioned stations.

A far better alternative is Hydro-electricity.

25/01/2008 at 18:44

It hasn't been denied yet, just one of these pre-release news items:

The BBC's Gaelic news service, Radio nan Gaidheal, has learned that Scottish Government ministers are "minded to refuse" the 181 turbine scheme.

No doubt the item will be firmed up shortly. I'd hate to lose the view from my old bedroom window because some people in cities can't be bothered turning off their televisions at night

Of course, if the companies sell out to Donald Trump... hmm

25/01/2008 at 22:05
If it is turned down will there be an appeal and an expesive enquirery?these people seem to have plenty of cash for legal representation.This happened with a wind farm a few miles from us here in Yorkshire and now the thing is half built.
25/01/2008 at 23:32

True, Pete. Very true. They have a lot of money that they can make...oh, and the "environment to save" (with a sideline in destroying rural habitats). Hey ho. As it was, as it will be.

25/01/2008 at 23:37
My own biggest worries with the increasing proliferation of wind-farms is the damage done to bird poulations, both living within the sited areas and migrating through them too. I think the RSPB are carrying out some sort of study into this problem at present. I must admit that when I at first heard that great numbers of birds were being killed in this way, I kind of thought it was some kind of a bad joke; but apparently there have been so many recorded bird deaths now that it is being looked into quite seriously by RSPB investigators and scientific teams, to see if there is someway around the problem.
Edited: 25/01/2008 at 23:43
26/01/2008 at 01:09
I've certainly heard of deaths, Trevor, but not the numbers.
26/01/2008 at 08:40

Yep, great news for Harris and Lewis. I have to agree with Richard Roworth on hydro power, providing the dams are sensitively designed and well landscaped then a hydro power station providing vast amounts of clean reliable enery will just look like another lochan, whereas a wind farm can dominate and ruin the skyline for tens of miles.

We should all write to congratulate the Scot Exec on their excellent decision

Edited: 26/01/2008 at 08:43
26/01/2008 at 11:39

I've heard a lot about birds being killed by windfarms, but never seen any figures.

Until 2 months ago, I lived at the foot of a hill upon which were 10 large turbines. Personally, I don't mind wind turbines per se, and the ones above our village actually provided something to, well, go to. We used to regulalry go for walks or bike rides 'up to the windmills'. It would just be a bleak, windswept, featureless moor without them, and I doubt we'd have gone up there as often if they weren't there, which would be a shame, cos it's a great spot for seeing all kinds of wildlife.

Anyhoo, I would say that on average my girlfriend and I would go up there once a week. Its the kind of turbine site that you can walk around, and go up and touch the turbines if you so desire, so you can get right amongst them. The point is, having gone up there once a week for over 2 years I never once saw any evidence of dead birds. And there are plenty of birds around there, so it's not like it's devoid of birdlife anyway.

Not saying that birds aren't killed by them, just that I never personally saw any evidence at 'our' site.

As an aside, it's quite exhilirating to stand right beneath the blades on a windy day and look up at them as the sweep down towards you at great speed. Seems like they're only inches above your head...

181 turbines on Lewis certainly seems a bit excessive though...

Edited: 26/01/2008 at 11:41
26/01/2008 at 14:57
Michael, before blithely going up to those turbines, you may want to take a look at this report:

http://www.cumberland-news.co.uk/news/viewarticle.aspx?id=583033

A turbine in Cumbria collapsed at the beginning of the month.

And another came down in Argyll back in November.

Just a thought...

As for Lewis, if turned down, there won't be an appeal this time because it's a Scottish Government decision.

It's far from clear, however, whether they've really turned it down. Apparently they've only told the developers they are 'minded to refuse permission' and they sent back the ball in their court to see what they can say in their defence...

The bad news is that they have approved an extension to a wind farm up in the Mearns (near Aberdeen) and they are almost certainly going to approve a huge wind farm near Aberfeldy that will blight Perthshire for ever.

And in case you don't know: all of this is because of European directives...
26/01/2008 at 15:17

Im always amazed at how these companies have unlimited resources for appeals and legal representation, Yet mention burying power lines underground instead of overhead and suddenly the coffers are empty.

26/01/2008 at 16:47

Money talks, Bazza.

BTW, here's the current statement from ScotGov (source) :

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The Lewis wind farm application is currently under consideration by Scottish Ministers.

No final decision has yet been taken and Ministers are working towards finalising and announcing a decision in the near future.

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The ScotGov have granted approval to extend an existing Wind Factory near Banchory (source). In the release, Energy Minister Jim Mather said: "Granting consent for this increase in capacity at Mid Hill is another step towards fulfilling Scotland's green energy potential. Already, the installed capacity of renewable energy has overtaken nuclear power." 

Wow. I look forward to a decrease in my utility bills shortly. But I've a funny feeling that it doesn't work like that.

26/01/2008 at 17:24
Aye, Jim Mather is a fantasist (or worse).

In ten years' time, we'll either have to buy electricity from England or go back to using candlelight (or both) thanks to guys like him.

And the bills will go up yet more to pay for his unworkable schemes...

And with the new directive from Brussels, they'll have to double the number of turbines already installed and approved.

I just hope we get a really good gale before too long to take a few more of these turbines down. Preferably when good ol' Jimmy is on a site visit...
26/01/2008 at 17:28
Hillfoots Bazza wrote (see)

Im always amazed at how these companies have unlimited resources for appeals and legal representation, Yet mention burying power lines underground instead of overhead and suddenly the coffers are empty.

Either that or they can't be arsed to clear up the mess afterwards, as in the Brecon Beacons.

26/01/2008 at 18:43

In this instance Kate I think the BBNP executive are being a little unfair on National Power.

The progress of the contract was severely delayed by the protests that took place meaning that the restoration of the later end of the pipeline had to be delayed due to the winter weather. The machinery would make more of a mess than the original restoration work.

Having flown over nearly the whole length of the pipeline, the one striking feature is that where the restoration work has taken place, you would never know it had been disturbed in the first place.

The BBNP need to display a little patience in this case, the developers have promised it will eventually be done when the weather/time f season is more conducive to such work!

26/01/2008 at 20:00
Hillfoots Bazza wrote (see)

Yet mention burying power lines underground instead of overhead and suddenly the coffers are empty.

Now theres a thought, if the massive wind power developement on Lewis gets the thumbs down, will that end the need for the mega pylons through the Cairngorms national park, re beauly denny link? ... hope so

Edited: 26/01/2008 at 20:01
26/01/2008 at 20:16
"will that end the need for the mega pylons through the Cairngorms national park, re beauly denny link?"


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Unfortunately, it won't.

The reason why Lewis is being turned down (if it is), is that the EU threatened to take the Scottish Government to court because the Lewis wind farm would have ruined some specially designated area under European legislation.

But the EU itself is forcing the Government to put some 2/2,500 more onshore wind turbines in the next ten years.

And it is the EU which is offering subsidies (i.e. bribes) to local communities and developers (who stand to make more money out of subsidies than out of actually producing electricity) to put up those turbines.

So my guess is that the Government have been looking at maps and they will have decided two things: a) to double capacity at existing plants (like they did at Crystal Rig and in the Mearns); b) to ring fence some areas with low tourism interest where to dump more wind plants.

It can very well be the case that places like Caithness will prove weak targets and they'll still be needing the pylons to take down the peak production on those few days when the bl*&y thing get to produce some electricity because there is enough wind but not too much to have to shut them down...

Rant over.
27/01/2008 at 11:23

A turbine in Cumbria collapsed at the beginning of the month.

And another came down in Argyll back in November.

Cripes!!  Still, the possibility just makes it all the more exciting!!

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