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david tetley
12/02/2007 at 09:53
Has anyone ever got wet whilst wearing a paramo jacket >?
Big Kev
12/02/2007 at 10:29
"Has anyone ever got wet whilst wearing a paramo jacket >?"

Aye, you have.

See here. Did you get wet again or something?

Trouble no one about their religion;

respect others in their view and demand that they respect yours.

~Chief Tecumseh~

david tetley
12/02/2007 at 10:53
no just thinking of buying a new one to give them another go.
Apparently my old jacket worked well once id given it way.
Andy Howell
12/02/2007 at 12:45
The trick is to do up the zips ,,,,,,,
Dave Ellis
12/02/2007 at 14:57
Not really, they're good but not that good!.

;)
snowie
12/02/2007 at 20:11
Did get wet once wearing Paramo Aspira Smock. Contacted Paramo, and they suggested I had washed it incorrectly. Washed it again, and reproofed it with Nikwax, but paid particular attention to cleaning any normal washing powder and conditioner out of the washing machine first. Take out the powder tray and remove all traces of old powder/conditioner. Put the machine on with no powder/conditioner in it, to rince it out. Then wash the jacket with Nikwax. Problem solved, and never had any trouble since.
winhill
12/02/2007 at 21:29
If anyone knows what the back pads in the Alta II and Aspira are for please do post!

They are clearly to stop your back getting wet - the question is are they to stop condensation or pressure induced ingress?

For some extremely suspicous reason Paramo make no reference to them in their marketing or technical info. You'd think if they were an added innovation that Paramo would gladly sing their praises, not ignore them. Personally whichever it is, I think Paramo ignore it so as not to draw attention to a weakness in the system but that's only speculation as Paramo don't say!

I spoke recently to a Paramo retailer who had lots of returns due to people complaining that they got wet at pressure points.

It must be a rare/unlikely event tho as Paramo always suggest re-proofing, which people report sorts them out. So either a fresh coating helps or the pressure event is unlikely to happen again or a combination of the two means that it isn't perceived as an on going problem.
Parky Again
13/02/2007 at 13:46
i think thay may be to keep a pack from pressing on your back. they are removeble if you don't like them.

pressure ingress of water is a bit of a bone of contention. i've never had it happen to me. i have only been sweaty wet under pressure points as the sweat can't get past the obstruction.

it's very difficult to push water through a paramo coat lining, unless i suppose it need re-proofing. it's easy to try at home for yourself.
Geoff
13/02/2007 at 15:18
I'm sure Paramo have mentioned the back pads in their literature in the past.
Big Kev
13/02/2007 at 15:19
Do the latest models still have the pads in them?

Trouble no one about their religion;

respect others in their view and demand that they respect yours.

~Chief Tecumseh~

winhill
15/02/2007 at 21:59
Still none the wiser then.

You'd think before spending £ 275 you'd know (or be able to discover) what the features were for!

On the Alta the pads offer "increased airflow and drainage" but by last year this has migrated on the Pajaro to "increased comfort" , whatever that means.

I was hoping one of the Paramo aficanado's would come on and clear this up - there are enough of them about to tell you how good it is.
SteveM
16/02/2007 at 12:56
Sounds like a huge Paramo conspiracy to me, putting things in jackets and then not mentioning them in brochures? How dare they! Is that a black helicopter I can hear just over the horizon.... ;-)

I have an Aspira jacket with the strips in the back and I've removed them - and not had any pressure leaks. The same with the Cascada I've had for years which did not have any strips in it.

As I've never seen any leaks then my guess is that it's to give a space to improve breathability and help reduce sweaty back syndrome. I don't find this a particular problem so I've removed the strips to improve packability instead.

All that said, my conclusion is the same - they're an added feature, not a secret fix for some design "fault".

The only pressure leaks I've ever had with Paramo kit were on old Cascada trousers which were overdue for a re-proof - and all they let in was a slight bit of damp when I put my whole bodyweight on my kness on wet ground. Even in those I've sat in all manner of wet stuff from melting snow to soaking grass and never had a wet bum!

Relax about the mysteries of Paramo and get your head around the wacky theories in Loose Change on YouTube instead :-)

Steve
Jon
16/02/2007 at 14:03
I thought I had read somewhere that these strips were to stop the back riding up under a rucksack. From Paramo's silence on the matter, perhaps there are only there to get us talking about Paramo :)
catherine whitehead
19/02/2007 at 10:13
Sorry, off on hols last week!
The foam strips are in our Alta & Alta II walking jackets, our new Pájaro 'country' jacket, and our High Mountain Aspira Smocks & Jackets (not in our multi-activity jackets/ smocks). They serve 3 purposes:
1. When wearing a rucksack, they hold the rucksack away from your back, allowing the Pump Liner to continue working without compression, to keep the weather out and, more important, to continue to move perspiration;
2. They make rucksack-wearing more comfortable as they provide padding and spread the weight;
3. They create a channel of air down the centre of your back, along your spine, the sweatiest bit of your back, which makes for much greater comfort.
I'll try & ensure that this appears in the jacket features where possible - we do run out of room to put everything in (and admittedly, if we are not careful, we take for granted what people know because we are too close to it!)

benman
19/02/2007 at 11:01
Catherine, does this mean that after removing my foam padding from the back of my aspira, I risk getting a wet back from the pump liner not working?
Toxic Sherlock
20/07/2007 at 13:24
Considering Paramo again (chickened out last time).

Thinking of the Paramo Aspira for year round munro-bagging. I notice it's some magazine's "winter jacket of the year" - does this mean it'll be any good in summer.

Current winter kit is Montane Extreme Smock with G-Tex overlayer. Find I'm dripping by the end of the day if it rains. Would the Montane combine better with the Paramo?

Summer layers are general odds and sods of fleece etc.

Any help appreciated.
Edited: 20/07/2007 at 13:25
wizard of mountains
20/07/2007 at 13:29
you can't beat gore-tex.
benman
20/07/2007 at 13:38
Toxic, I wouldn't recommend a paramo jacket for the summer, they will be way too hot. A paramo windproof is cracking for summer though.

I think they would also probably be too hot in winter with a montane extreme underneath! In winter I'm generally warm enough with just a baselayer under my aspira, and a synthetic insulator over the top when stationary. I would highly recommend the aspira though, its bombproof.
Ben Bloggs
20/07/2007 at 13:47
Id agree with Ben for summer! A paramo jacket will be too hot for most people in most summers I'd say!

I wear a baselayer and a Paramo Fuera smock windproof in the summer. The other week I did the South Glen Shiel Ridge in horrible cloudy wet weather and just wore this combination. The windproof did get soggy when the rain came down hard but I was always moving fast enough to remain comfortably warm and I dried very quickly once the rain stopped. I also carry a lightweight waterproof (paclite style) for very heavy rain.
Geoff
20/07/2007 at 13:52
Toxic Sherlock - I find it is too warm for hot weather. A friend of mine borrowed my Paramo jacket and wore a big jumper under it back in June as the weather was so cold!

wizard of mountains - "you can't beat gore-tex."

If you hang it on a washing line, you can beat the living daylights out of it with a stick.

Or you could just use eVent instead.
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