Settle an arguement for me please

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01/06/2004 at 09:07
My wife and I are at logger heads over which is the harder scramble Tryfan North Ridge or the scramble upto Crib Goch?
I say North Ridge of Tryfan while she says Crib Goch.
Just who is right?
01/06/2004 at 09:11
You both are. It depends on personal perspective. What is 'hard' for one person isn't as 'hard' for another.

Argument settled, make her a cup of tea :)
01/06/2004 at 09:26
There's more choice of routes on Tryfan, so you can make it harder than Crib Goch but you can also make it eaiser......

So that's cleared that up then.
01/06/2004 at 09:53
Sounds too much like compromise to me. We'll never go for that. One of us has to be right, she out did me on the mountains at the weekend. I need to be right!!!!
01/06/2004 at 09:58
I think Tryfan is undoubtedly the harder of the two when choosing the "standard" route. Crib Goch just seems harder due to the extra effort of the walk in.

It was good to see you both on Saturday. You should have followed us up Dolmen Ridge on Sunday Darren, then there'd be absolutely no dispute!
01/06/2004 at 11:03
It was great to have bumped into you both as well.
Sounds like you had a good time on Sunday.
I only managed 3 of the mountains Sunday (sun stroke and not eating anything finished me off on the pyg track), Kate went on and did all 6 (she scared herself going over the pinnacles on Grib Coch and not round them), turned people back on Crib y Ddysgl looking for the Snowdon Summit station!! Nearly pushed a bloke off Snowdon who stepped off the train, stood on the summit and shouted "look at me I've climbed a mountain"!!! But she did the last 3 in 2 1/2 hours.
Now I just have to go back repeat the route, and do it in a quicker time!
01/06/2004 at 11:08
A good time? It made me think I could do Clogwyn Y Person Arete blindfolded with one leg tied behind my back!

At one point you have to step round from the main buttress onto the main face with about 800ft of solid air beneath you and less than 1 handhold!
01/06/2004 at 11:12
So you are cured now of the "edges with bit drops" now then?
01/06/2004 at 11:16
errrrrr nope!
01/06/2004 at 11:18
The Sea King circling round and round seemed as if it was just waiting for me, and I felt like I was ready to oblige at any moment! Do you know which one Dolmen Ridge is?
01/06/2004 at 11:21
No haven't got guide with me. But I did see the Sea King, also an ambulance rushing along the A5!!
I'll have to send you the picture of Kate's new path she made at the start of May. Looking at the picture I can only conclude she is NUTS!!
01/06/2004 at 11:25
Picture the main cliffs of Glyder Fach above Llyn Bochlwyd, then pick an impossible line up to the top........that's it.
01/06/2004 at 11:33
Sounds cool, I'm going to have to look at my pictures tonight and try and work out the route. Is it shown in the Scrambles in Snowdonia book?
01/06/2004 at 11:41
Surely all things are relative to our own Comfort-Stretch-panic zones.

What might be a Comfort to one is a Stretch to another and is a Panic to another.

All part of lifes rich tapestry.
01/06/2004 at 11:43
Yes. Just consulted the map and the altitude gain is about 1000ft!! On one side is Central Gully which goes from near the summit to the bottom, on the other side is the main face.

Iain's got his assessment today so got my fingers crossed.
01/06/2004 at 11:50
Hope it goes well with Iain today as well. How was he Sunday then? He seemed unhappy with things Saturday.
Although I have to say I felt really safe when we went up the other week.

Alex: My climbing ability is less than my wife's (she's 3/4 mountain goat I'm sure of it). So if anything I'd find either harder than her.
01/06/2004 at 12:02
Is it to do with ability though?

Sure ability brings confidence and that helps designate which zone you will be in, but ability alone will not decide it. Other factors such as prior knowledge, anticipation and prior experience (both good and bad!) will also have an effect.

What I am basically saying is that just because someone is a good climber, it doesn't mean that they are going to be a good scrambler - they might have had a bad experience scrambling without ropes which means that they might be in panic when faced with a Grade 1 scramble.

I once had a fellow - and we were doing "trust falls". He was a top end climber, been a RAF under 25 champ, but had taken a fall (which was arrested by the rope and belayer with no injuries at all) but it had shacken him so much that he couldn't (a) climb onto the platform and (b) when he did he just couldn't bring himself to fall back onto the waiting arms of his team mates. This guy had done crazy e-godknows what routes but he was now in bits when standing on a platform just 4 foot up...

I dunno if this means anything other than we are all different, and that should be remembered when reading guidebooks and talking to others in the pub (or on the forum) over what routes are good and suitable for others.

Sorry, serious mode <OFF> back to the stupidity.
01/06/2004 at 12:06
Alex,
your points are very valid. It's just my wife and I have the same experience (routes), she has a better head for heights than me, is a better scrambler/climber than me. I do think that what may be deciding it for her was route finding on Crib Goch by herself with no one around.
01/06/2004 at 12:17
Indeed Darren, and I am not getting at either of you. And you yourself point out that you both have the same routes under your belt, but you are very different when actually out there...I think that we are the sum total of our lives experiences and we use our past life experiences when we go into new experiences.

I know I am getting all deep here, but we all look at the world with different coloured glasses...it's what makes us all different.

We occassionally have the arguement at work that there is no reality - just my reality and you have yours. (it gets pretty exciting at my place of work at lunchtime, I can tell you!)

So to try to settle the arguement that started this thread - to you Tryfan is hardest, to your wife, Crib Goch is hardest. Neither is right, neither is wrong.

Both of you just are.



Sorry for being all deep and stuff on a Tuesday morning. Must be the weather. Drizzling here :¬(
01/06/2004 at 12:20
He was OK on Sunday. He was fine on Saturday in terms of safety and Andy and I had a great day as usual with him. His problem was with himself really. Part way down Milestone Gully I put Andy and myself on an counterbalance belay to wait for him. When he got there he didn't work out the best way of releasing us safely as quickly as he wanted to - although we were always safe. On Sunday we worked on it several times and he has it sorted now. I guess it's just nerves and once he's passed today he'll be a lot more relaxed with himself.
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