Talkback: Ultimate Navigation Manual Reviewed

As a large outward bound educational organisation we were fortunate in that we got our hands on a copy of this book two weeks before launch,...

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26/10/2011 at 18:25
As a large outward bound educational organisation we were fortunate in that we got our hands on a copy of this book two weeks before launch, as a result I have now been working with it for the last two months.

As an ‘old hand’ in land navigation I was becoming just a little complacent and this work has put me right back on track. Some of the stuff is fairly esoteric, from cows aligning north to using GPS at scenes of crime, yet the book covers all the basics and brings them bang up-to-date.

I got the chance to see this guy present at the Edinburgh Film Festival a couple of weeks ago, where he had the audience of around a thousand in stitches as he got them all to use their mobile phones at the same time – there was a serious element about calling for help and he conveyed it in an engaging style. Sadly I did not get to meet him later as he was ensconced with the other climbers who had also presented, especially the very pretty Karina Hollekim.


Seriously, I am not one to wax lyrical about many things (a product of age?) but this work I do and whenever I can because I sincerely believe it is the new standard in defining navigational safety.
27/10/2011 at 12:31
Thanks Callum, like you, I'm highly impressed with this book. Lots of skill-type reference books seem to be re-hashed versions of the same old thing, but with Lyle's book I constantly come across stuff that I either didn't know or had completely forgotten or found it presented in a tangential, more thought-provoking way.

You're right, there is some really quite esoteric stuff in there, but equally the basic stuff is thoroughly covered too.

OutdoorsMagic Editor | jon@outdoorsmagic.com 

27/10/2011 at 15:47
There is much that is good, useful as well as esoteric in this book, but there are also some very basic errors and omissions that Jon, in his review, appears not to have noticed including:

Factual errors
Page 37
Explorers and Landrangers cover the UK.
They don't; Landrangers cover Great Britain and the Isle of Man; Explorers only cover Great Britain.

Landrangers do not show rights of way in England & Wales.
They do.

Page 38
Tourist features in blue ink...are not placed accurately.
Most of them are.

Buy the most up to date maps ...from the minute they are produced they go out of date.
True as far as it goes. But the really significant bits of information are the dates of the survey and later revisions. Two years ago, I bought the most up to date edition of the US Geological Survey map of San Antonio, Texas which was last revised fifteen years previously. Since then, the city has almost doubled in size.

Page 52
Contours are the single most important feature on your map.
It depends on the terrain. In lowland countryside the field boundary is probably the most important single feature for navigation.

Page 55
EXPERT FACTS: On OS maps, 1:25,000 scale contours are spaced every 10 m change in elevation...
Contours are at 10 metres on Explorer maps of the highland region but 5 metres In lowland areas.

Significant omissions
There is no discussion of mapping conventions or the omission and simplification inherent in all maps used by walkers.

But the most serious omission in a manual that claims to be the ultimate in navigation techniques, is a discussion of navigation in lowland areas. Navigation in lowland Britain employs techniques that are not often required in upland regions. Most of the books about navigation in my private library fail to cover this aspect, or treat it only cursorily. The best treatise on lowland navigation is 'Navigation and Leadership' published by the Ramblers' Association in 1994 and now rendered woefully out of date by the introduction of the Explorer series. Few dedicated hillwalkers seem to appreciate that accurate navigation in some types of lowland countryside, even in well-walked areas, can sometimes be more demanding than navigation in good visibility in upland regions.

Hugh
27/10/2011 at 16:34
In the Calling The Emergency Services section,does anybody know if any mobile phone manufacturers have set any of the keypad buttons for the ICE feature?
27/10/2011 at 16:36
In the Calling the Emergency Services section Lyle refers to ICE, does anyone know if any phone manufacturers have designated specific keystrokes to active this facillity - its seems such a brilliant idea?
27/10/2011 at 16:54
Hugh, I saw your post about this on the forum when we ran a news story about the book a month or so back. I have to say that I think, that with the possible exception of the lowland navigation section, you do seem to be nit-picking a little. I'm not sure any of the points you make devalue the book in a practical sense and I think the positives massively outweigh the negatives.

As far as lowland navigation goes, yes, it can be tricky - I'd agree that mountain navigation in good visibility is often more straightforward thanks to the more defined terrain - but the basic principle of navigation and map reading are equally applicable no?

I guess you could argue that a book which includes a section on urban navigation under Special Environments should equally well have a lowland section and maybe you're right on that front, but as I said above, there's a huge amount of really well-presented, massively useable information in the book and very little wrong with it.

Just out of interest, how would you say lowland navigation differs markedly from navigating elsewhere?

OutdoorsMagic Editor | jon@outdoorsmagic.com 

28/10/2011 at 20:50
Jon

I start from the premise that a competent navigator has to be accurate and therefore it is incumbent on the authors of books on the subject to ensure that their facts are correct.

You cannot dismiss my correction to Lyle's statement that Landrangers do not depict rights of way in England and Wales as 'nitpicking'. It is a fundamental error of fact. It could mean that greenhorn navigators might refuse to use Landrangers because they have been told that they do not show rights of way.

Similarly, the date of the survey and subsequent revisions are far more important than the date of the edition of a map. The countryside in lowland areas is constantly changing. Rights of way are diverted and new paths created. Reservoirs are built and woodland felled. Map-readers can be surprised by a building that is not marked on the map creating fears that they have gone astray. But if the date of the survey and revisions are known, and the building looks new, it is possible to make an educated guess that the building was erected after the latest revision.

The bald statement that contours are the single most important feature on a map is nonsense! They are very important when navigating in upland areas, but are of little consequence when map reading in much of the English countryside. Have you ever tried navigating using contours on the Somerset Levels?

The most demanding conditions that I have encountered when navigating is a white-out in Scotland, so I'm not competent to judge the accuracy of Lyle's instructions for navigating in extreme locations such a deserts and the polar regions. But I can say that if he makes errors in parts of his book, how can I be sure that he has not made mistakes in the sections on which I'm not competent to judge?

You ask what navigation techniques are used in lowland countryside:

1 In much of the lowland areas of England and Wales you are restricted to following rights of way. There are areas of open access but they are, in general, quite small.

2 The rights of way (RoW) network is often very dense. I make an annual check on the condition of the RoWs in three rural parishes in North Bucks. Each parish has a network of between twelve and fifteen RoWs measuring a total of twenty miles for the three parishes.

3 The most significant feature for navigating is the field boundary (hedge, fence or wall) and, generally speaking, you map-read from field to field. Legs are usually from road to road. This sounds easy and it often is, but farmers sometimes grub hedges or put in new fences so the handrail of tick feature shown on the map may not be there.

4 RoWs are sometimes ploughed and the line of the path not restored. Walking over recently ploughed heavy clay is tougher than crossing any bog.

5 RoWs are not always visible on the ground and so careful work with map and compass may be required to follow them accurately. It is easy to be led astray by a tractor trail created by a farmer moving between fields.

6 Popular open access areas, especially if wooded, pose particular navigation problems. Well-meaning organizations such as the National Trust create waymarked trails that are not RoWs and are not always depicted on maps. The problem is made worse if the British Standard for waymarks is used. In addition, both walkers, mountain bikers, and courting couples seeking privacy can create numerous paths that can confuse the map-reader. In the past five years I must have descended Leith Hill in Surrey at least six times trying to follow the RoW, and every time I took a different route. It was only on the seventh occasion, when I used my GPS receiver, that I managed to follow the correct line of the RoW.

Let's all demand and salute accuracy!

Hugh


GOF
28/10/2011 at 21:05

Thanks for this reply Hugh.

Can I quote your numbered points verbatim in a presentation I have to do soon to my school board?

I have been described as over zealous when teaching DoE navigation at Bronze level and I have countered this with a less well justified assertion that Bronze level navigation is, in its own way, more demanding than Silver and Gold.  Your answer (with your googlable profile) adds considerable weight to my experience!

GOF
28/10/2011 at 21:32
GOF

You are welcome to use my response in any way that you think fit!

Hugh
GOF
28/10/2011 at 21:54

Thanks Hugh.

GOF
31/10/2011 at 11:40
Hi Hugh, thanks for your detailed reply and the thoughts on lowland navigation. I still think you're being a little over zealous, but obviously that's your personal opinion and one you're completely entitled to hold.

I can't really believe that anyone would decide not to buy an OS Landranger map on the basis you assert. I suspect what Lyle meant, and who knows whether it was overzealously edited, is that Landrangers don't show the definitive right of way, which as you and I both know, is shown on definitive maps held by the surveying authority.

Fwiw, my most 'interesting' navigating experience was solo trekking the Ausangate Circuit in Peru using a combination of a photocopied, fairly rough map obtained from the South American Explorers Clun in Cuzco and a slightly iffy description from a guidebook which shall remain nameless. I crossed a 5,000 metre pass only to be confronted by a landscape that didn't look much like the one on my map. To make things more 'interesting', I'd managed to somehow drop my primary compass somewhere along the way. Fortunately I had a back-up - it took about 30 minutes of very careful orientation and thinking to make sure I was where I thought I was and hadn't inadvertently walked over the wrong pass and off the edge of the map... Fortunately I hadn't.

White-outs and grey-outs aside, the worst UK navigational pain I've found is following forestry paths. Like you say, just a nightmare of criss-crossing tracks often with no marked status and no representation on the map.

Anyway, I stand by my view that this is the best navigation book I've come across. If there's something better out there, I haven't seen it.

OutdoorsMagic Editor | jon@outdoorsmagic.com 

31/10/2011 at 13:39

If you are walking in the South East the I would strongly suggest that a 50k Landranger map is all but useless for proper navigation due to the wealth of physical features available that aren't depicted on the Landranger.

To emphahsise what Hugh has said if anyone wants to practice or brush up on their navigation they could do worse than go to Leith Hill in Surrey with a 25k Explorer map and practice. It's a frustrating experience but excellent for reading the landscape e.g. field boundaries are shown but they aren't necessarily "active" ones; just the remnants of fields bounded by long abandoned ditches and banks. This and other features you can read from the map enables you to learn a lot. As it is a fairly well defined area it's hard to get seriously lost (cough....) and is a very pleasant location.

The Chilterns seem to veritably teem with footpaths!

31/10/2011 at 17:20
<I can't really believe that anyone would decide not to buy an OS Landranger map on the basis you assert. I suspect what Lyle meant, and who knows whether it was overzealously edited, is that Landrangers don't show the definitive right of way, which as you and I both know, is shown on definitive maps held by the surveying authority.>

Jon
I think that you may be clutching at straws! People read all kinds of daft instructions and follow them in the reasonable belief that as they are written by experts they must be authoritative. For example, participants in the Duke of Edinburgh Bronze Award are advised that their packs should not weigh more than 15 kg for a two-day, one night trip!

If Lyle really meant 'definitive map' why did he state that rights of way are shown on Explorers?

You are correct in stating that the definitive maps are, with a few minor exceptions, kept by local highway authorities in England and Wales. They are legal documents and have to be produced as evidence when disputes over rights of way occur. But highway authorities are required to send copies of their definitive maps, together with information about diversions and extinguishments as they occur, to the Ordnance Survey for copying onto Explorer and Landranger maps. In my extensive experience, it is rare for an error to the line of a right of way to appear on an Explorer map.

<Who knows whether it was over-zelously edited...>
I believe that the manuscript may not have been peer reviewed and it certainly was not edited carefully enough. The publisher's copy editor missed several spelling errors and at least one incomplete sentence.

I do not doubt that Lyle is an expert navigator, and I would cheerfully trust him in any situation, but the book contains some significant errors and omissions for which he and his publishers have to accept responsibility. I'm sure that the second edition will be a considerable improvement.

Lyle is aware that he has not covered lowland navigation in sufficient detail and has asked me to take him on a walk that will illustrate some of the problems that can be encountered.

I was hoping for a timely contribution from Parky. I agree that Landrangers are of little use in micro-navigating lowland routes, but as they cover a much larger area than Explorers, they can be useful for the initial planning of long trips, and also where a route overlaps onto two Explorers.

This thread has proved helpful in other ways. Whilst accepting that OM is primarily about hillwalking, some contributors assume that it is the only worthwhile form of walking, and fail to understand that some of us who love the upland regions of Britain also derive enormous pleasure from lowland walking.

I can't prove this but I suspect that there are at least as many lowland walkers as there are hillwalkers, and some of us enjoy both kinds.

Hugh
31/10/2011 at 17:36

Hugh Westacott wrote (see)
 The publisher's copy editor missed several spelling errors and at least one incomplete sentence.
Well, gosh. I don't think I've ever read a book which doesn't have several spelling errors and something incomplete!
02/11/2011 at 14:54

I totally agree with Kate, all books contain some errors.

In a previous thread I remarked that the latest edition of the King James Bible contains mistakes, even the late great Eric Langmuir’s Mountaincraft & Leadership still does.  Any mistakes are far outweighed by the importance of the content of these ground-breaking publications and do not detract from the overall excellence of any of these works. 

The author clearly states that his preference is to use 1:25k plus 1:10k maps and we could debate and dispute this, and other explanations ad infinitum.  

Instead, common sense should prevail and we should recognise, as stated by Dave Whalley, former Team Leader of the RAF’s mountain rescue team at Kinloss, that this work ‘brings together for the first time Best Practice as used by search and rescue teams throughout the world

The last words I will leave to Sir Ranulph Fiennes: ‘This book is a landmark in land navigation’.

Edited: 02/11/2011 at 14:56
02/11/2011 at 19:55
Jacqueline

I fear that you are a number of misapprehensions.

First, there is much to praise in this book and I do not doubt that Lyle is an expert in land navigation. But that is not really the point. The book contains a number of serious errors which is the the duty of a reviewer to point out. I just do not understand how a basic error of fact, such as the statement that Landrangers do not show rights of way in England and Wales, can be overlooked and regarded as unimportant. The implication of this error is that these maps are largely useless for navigation outwith Scotland.

The purpose of a foreword is to express encomium not to point out errors. It is normal in the publishing world for forewords to be written by eminent experts and for which they sometimes receive payment. Writers of forewords approve the general thrust of a book but it does not necessarily follow that they have read every word in the text; that is a job for the reviewer.

t may be true '...that this work brings together for the first time Best Practice as used by search and rescue teams throughout the world.' but this, though important, has little relevance for the great majority of British walkers who require accurate information about maps and navigation techniques in their own backyard.

Captain Paranoia has dealt effectively and succinctly with your comparison with the King James Bible.

I'd be interested to know of any errors in 'Mountaincraft and Leadership' for I must confess I've not found any.

I think that Kate is exaggerating a bit. I don't often find typos in books from mainstream imprints. In the light of her experience I'm wondering whether I should throw away my spelling dictionary and 'Shorter Oxford English Dictionary' on the grounds that they are probably unreliable.

I confess that I'm passionate about accuracy in books about map reading and navigation. A few years ago, Jon Doran got cross with me because I pointed out a number of errors in Peter Judd and Simon Brown's 'Getting to Grips with GPS'. Ironically, in the light of this thread, was the authors' statement that Explorer and Landranger maps contain information about rights of way in England, Wales and Scotland. Jon seemed to believe that they did and took some convincing that they are not depicted on maps of Scotland. He also seemed to find it odd that I should bother to report inaccuracies on maps to the Ordnance Survey.

Hugh
03/11/2011 at 13:08

> t may be true '...that this work brings together for the first time Best Practice

Have a word with your editor, Hugh; you missed an 'I' from the start of that sentence...

> Captain Paranoia has dealt effectively and succinctly with your comparison with the King James Bible.

I have...?  Where?

> The book contains a number of serious errors which is the the duty of a reviewer to point out.

It depends on the purpose of the review; if the review is to take a holistic approach to the book, then it need only present an overall assessment of the book to the intended reader audience, and its suitability for purpose.  It might note that there are a small number of errors, but I wouldn't expect such a review to detail every error; most people find such nit-picking reviews to be rather pointless and tedious, as they want to know what the book is like in general.  Even in technical journals, if a book reviewer merely returned a list of nit-picking errors, I don't think the editor would ever ask the reviewer to review a book again; it's not what is wanted...

If the review is of a proof copy provided by a publisher to selected peers for peer review, then any errors found should be identified to the publisher; that's the point of peer reviews.  My father used to be a lecturer, and was sent many such books to review in this way; the reviews weren't generally intended for publication, although the publisher sometimes asked permission to use the more 'holistic' comments for publicity.

03/11/2011 at 13:23

Hugh, I had decided not to comment further on your assertions, regarding them as insignificant; your pedantry is your prerogative.

However, to infer that great people like Dave Whalley and Ran Fiennes write such praise for money is a slur.

I took the liberty of emailing Dave Whalley and Ran Fiennes through their websites and asked if either were the case. Dave Whalley’s reply verbatim below:

I can assure you that I was not paid for my piece on the book, this is a serious accusations and a slight on my character. I met Lyle in the USA and prior to that was offered a day taking him on the hill and give him my views on navigation. I do not normally do this as I am aware of fly by night experts with no experience, especially in the world of rescue.

As soon as I met Lyle I was impressed he gave an enthusiasm for the world of navigation that I have never heard before, he is a wonderful speaker and his enthusiasm is infectious, this is what I liked about him. His piece on GPS for use by Rescue Teams is the way forward and will help save lives.

His book was a labour of love and years of work and though it has a few errors as has most books, I feel it is a wonderful addition to the world of navigation.

I find it quiet upsetting that someone who has given his life to helping others would think I would have to be paid to write! That hurts me.

I am off to do a lecture tonight for the Torridon MRT in Elgin all money raised will go to the Torridon Team, the author of these comments does not know me or how I work?

Lyle is out helping the Earthquake victims just now, unpaid, that is the measure of the man, previous to this he was in Pakistan helping out there.

There is a lot more to this book than a few errors, "let him without throw the first stone!"

Sir Ran Fiennes reply mirrors the above.

Like Jacqueline, I will not enter into debate with you. I will however set the record straight when your assertions imply otherwise about respected and credible individuals.

Edited: 03/11/2011 at 13:24
03/11/2011 at 13:45
hugh didn't suggest anyone was paid for this. he merely asserted the fact "It is normal in the publishing world for forewords to be written by eminent experts and for which they sometimes receive payment"
03/11/2011 at 14:32
Callum

Let me set the record straight.

I assure you and all readers of this thread that I had no intention of impugning the integrity of anyone associated with Lyle's book.

I was trying to point out to Jacqueline the difference between a foreword and a review. It is a fact that some writers of forewords receive payment for their efforts and there is nothing remotely dishonourable in this. Roger Smith, the first editor of 'The Great Outdoors', wrote a foreword to one of my books and was paid for his services by Penguin Books. Absolutely no offence was intended to anyone and it is a matter of deep regret, for which I apologize unreservedly, if I did not make my meaning sufficiently clear.

Again, to be crystal clear, I believe, and have stated so in this forum several times that there is much that is excellent in Lyle's book. Nevertheless, I think that it is a pity that some elementary and important factual errors were not picked up before publication. It may be of little consequence to those who walk mainly in Scotland that the book states that rights of way in England and Wales are not depicted on Landrangers, but rights of way are hugely important to those of us who walk south of the border. I also believe that the problems associated with walking in lowland countryside have not been covered adequately.

I intend that the next paragraph will be my last contribution to this thread.

CP:
On the associated thread 'Talkback: Ultimate Navigation Manual Launches' you responded to Jacqueline:

> the most current version of the King James Bible from the Oxford Text Archive recently corrected half a dozen errors, but let us focus upon what is important - best practice in land navigation<

The latest version of KJV has a section on land navigation...?

Hugh
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