4x4 stance and Land Rover ads

are these compatible?

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07/09/2005 at 13:10
I noticed the editorial praising the extension of the Peak 4x4 ban, only to see a large advert for Land Rover later in the magazine.

Now I realise that they were advertising their 'gripped, sorted, extreeem' sports event, but I feel the same way about it as I do when I see the behemoth Ford Ranchero (sorry, Ranger) at the Outdoors Show; it's not right.
07/09/2005 at 13:38
Sorry Captain, we've got no grounds for refusing this advert. It's advertising a Challenge event that happens to be sponsored by Land Rover. I can understand your sensibilities – indeed share them, but it has nothing to do with people driving 4x4's in the Peak District. It's not even an ad for a vehicle. I had similar reservations about the Ford advert on the back page but had it pointed it to me that the ad says this vehicle will take you to the mountain, not up it!
07/09/2005 at 19:36
> It's not even an ad for a vehicle

Isn't that either a little naive or disingenuous? Why are Land Rover sponsoring a 'Challenge' event? Because they want to sell their cars. And in order to sell their cars, they are promoting the leisure use of 4x4s. They want people to consider 4x4 as a natural part of outdoor leisure. It's an agenda adopted by most 4x4 manufacturers:

"Going off-road in a shiny 4x4 is the latest extreme sport; everybody's doing it, dontchaknow, so why not buy one of our 4x4s when you next come to buy a car".

There are plenty of adverts that now show 4x4s being used as a leisure pursuit (and often illustrating bad driving habits). They can no longer plausibly show cars zooming along on the open road, because the reality is different. But they can show 4x4s being driven in the 'freedom of The Great Outdoors'. It's the drip, drip, drip of acclimatisation (aka indoctrination).

Granted, most people won't use their cars for such purposes (it's an 'aspirational' image), but they will buy a much larger, fuel inefficient car than they need, be it a Land Rover, a BMW X5, a Ford Ranchero, A Volvo XC70, a Jeep, etc...

You can sell advertising to whomever you like, of course, but it just struck me that there was a bit of an incompatibility of philosophies. Thanks for taking the time to respond, though; my opinions on the matter aren't as strong as they might appear...
07/09/2005 at 21:41
well you will be glad no doubt to hear that I've seen the light and currently have my landrover for sale on ebay...........

all the persuasive arguments must have worked.



















either that or I've finished restoring it and am currently looking for a new project in the form of a land rover series 2a, to restore and thus complete my complete indoctrination into the advertising companies way of thinking concering adventure outdoors :)

Please please please note the smiley at the end of this, and accept that we all have differing opinions on this, and I for one say advetise what you want in TGO people are not as stupid as the advertisers like to think, and that goes double for readers of TGO, i am more concerned that magazines like TGO still think it appropriate to advertise challenge events, regardless of the sponsor
08/09/2005 at 12:46
Smiley noted. As I said, my opinions aren't as strong as they might seem.

I don't think a Series 2A counts as an 'aspirational lifestyle vehicle', somehow, especially not one that needs restoring. Too much rust, and not enough big, shiny paintwork... ;-)

I'm inclined to agree with you regarding the 'Challenge' events, too.
13/09/2005 at 14:11
The above is noted, but I was disturbed to see the "monster truck" advert on the back page of this months mag. Nothing to do with an event. I go walking to escape from the many horrors of modern life, and that certainly includes fuel thirsty pickups. TGO is a virtual walk, enabling me to get to the Wilderness in my lunchbreak. It also encourages and inspires me to get out more often than I would. Pictures of the nastier side of the Ford Motor Company don't do it for me. Place TGO upside down it looks like that awful Top Gear Mag. I could cope with an advert for a canoe, a bicycle, a hang-glider or even a Toyota Prius, but no more gas guzzlers please.
13/09/2005 at 16:11
i would have thought the green lanes safe,as the 4x4 brigade will be either busy now that the schools are back or sat in the que for fuel :0
13/09/2005 at 22:19
Guy. I thought it was because you were upgrading to the ultimate in off-road - a chieftain Tank.

That'll show those 3-peakers
14/09/2005 at 12:23
By running the advert TGO are saying to Ford "we will help you sell more of these vehicles". It just doesn't fit the values I thought TGO had.
14/09/2005 at 20:50
Not sure that tgo can afford to be that picky. Unlike us altruistic types.

I think tgo are really saying to Ford "thanks for the cash, it will help keep us going for another month".

It will only get pernicious when there's Chris Townsends' "best 4x4 for churning up the 'gorms" test and a full-page photo of Mr McNeish sprawled across the bonnet of a Mitshubishi. Not forgetting "Trail Biking with Harding" on the last page.


14/09/2005 at 20:53
dont take mine off road Darren, it would get dirty :)
14/09/2005 at 20:55
Will McNeish be scantily clad????


;o)
14/09/2005 at 21:09
Beardless, I shouldn't wonder, if there's enough cash on offer.
14/09/2005 at 21:13
Shirley not
14/09/2005 at 23:36
I think I can safely say that that's one test you never see me doing!
14/09/2005 at 23:47
So you ARE saying that we'll see a scantily-clad Cameron draped over a 'mobile shed'?
15/09/2005 at 00:01
No comment :-)
15/09/2005 at 00:03
Hold that thought -

no - on second thoughts....

;o)
15/09/2005 at 06:40
Scantily clad maybe (shorts and a T-shirt). Beardless? Never...
15/09/2005 at 09:49
I didn't think I was being altruistic but it's a nice thought. I have a selfish concern for the things I like, the peaceful landscape and its wildlife, and dislike of anything that I consider to be a threat. I understand others hold opposing views but I suspect they don't read TGO. Maybe I have had too much exposure to 4x4's and have become prone to some form of allergic reaction. A field near to where I live was sold last year and is now an off road circuit. I accept that it is legal but the paddock for retired horses was far better in my view.
Perhaps TGO are putting together an advert for a wind turbine company as I write.
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