Brilliant backpack article by Judy Armstrong!

Congrat's to TGO!

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11/04/2005 at 09:36
Many thanks to Judy Armstrong for an absolutely brilliant article on women's backpacks! I enjoyed every word, and the fact that I actually bought an Osprey Luna about 4 weeks ago for the upcoming TGO Challenge is just the icing on the cake :-)

Congratulations and thanks also to TGO for appointing a woman - and especially a woman with such obvious expertise - to review women's kit for your female readers. I love Chris Townsend's reviews - they're the first thing I turn to every month - but ultimately it really is brilliant to get whole articles devoted to things made specially for women, and only another woman can really do that properly.

Well, the new edition was worth waiting for after all! Thanks again :-)
13/04/2005 at 07:18
Um... it's very quiet here. Did I say something wrong? :)
13/04/2005 at 07:50
just girlie clothes :p
13/04/2005 at 08:57
Girlie clothes,
Girlie clothes,
Rah! Rah! Rah!

:-)
13/04/2005 at 16:22
Judy's Reviews
Judy's Reviews
Rah rah rah!!
13/04/2005 at 16:57
I always read reviews regardless of the gender the gears targeted at and I was amazed how she tore into the karrimor jaguar, I've known many people who swear by them, the quality under the new owners must have really dived.
I liked her reviews, quite conversational in tone I thought.
13/04/2005 at 17:57
It could be that the blokes' version of the Jaguar sits differently, perhaps. I used a Karrimor Cougar on a long walk last year, and had trouble on a daily basis with the waist band. That's a large part of why I've just bought a new pack. It has to be said, though, that it's also fun to buy new kit... :-)

Honest reviews that come straight from the heart are clearly the best, though, so it seems to me that Judy is carrying on a proud TGO tradition there!
17/04/2005 at 19:38
You might be right about different fits; some things just don't suit some people. I know people rave about Macpac- certainly their full size packs are built to withstand a direct nuclear strike. But I have never really felt comfortable with them.
18/04/2005 at 10:24
It's curious isn't it how some folk can love a particular pack and others hate it. Judy was particularly critical of the new Berghaus Bioflex pack and that has created a good dialogue between Berghaus and ourselves at TGO. As a result I've personally been testing the new Bioflex packs and I can't get on with them either. At the same time, and ignorant of this debate, Chris T has been testing the Bioflex and thinks it's very comfortable indeed.

The opinion I've shared with Berghaus is that UK manufacturers don't have the traditions to make decent backpacking packs. Our traditions in the UK tend to be in mountaineering, and mountaineers packs are very different to the requirements for backpacking. In the USA, where there is a strong backpacking culture, the packs are superb. Packs from Gregory and Osprey are now appearing in the UK.

If you look at the people Berghuas used in their promotion and testing - Bonington, Hinkes, Huber, and Holding you suddenly realise why their packs are so mountaineering and climbing based.

I'll try and few more trips with the Bioflex and if things don't imrpove I'm back to my much loved and trusted Gregory packs.
19/04/2005 at 23:21
An interesting post from Cameron. Personally, I think that you might be onto something. One of the reasons I've become a little suspicious of some of the lightweight evangelists is that the packs are just very uncomfortable when your carrying real weight. Two pack stories.

Over the last couple of years I relied on a 50 litre Macpac Pursuit (old style) as a day sack. This was fine until it had any kind of weight in it at all. And even day hikes in winter mean that you can be carrying some kind of weight.

Two summers ago I was looking for a new 70 litre pack for the Pyrenees. I decided to have a go at a Crux pack which was very lightweight. As Cameron has suggested, this was one of those packs that was really made for mountaineers and I had two weeks of sheer hell with it.

Last summer I replaced this with an Osprey Crescent which in operation was far more effective. Not the lightest of packs but it dealt with the weight well.

Inspired by this I replaced my Pursuit with a 36 litre Osprey Eclipse which I now use as my main day sack. And what a great sack it is to. A proper back system, effective weight carrying belt and it compresses well when not full. Again, not the lightest of packs but very comfortable and effective.

I've not tried Gregory yet, but maybe next year. I reckon my Crescent deserves a couple of treks before I could even consider replacing it.
19/04/2005 at 23:50
I have never understood why the Craghopper Dynamic Balance packs never took off. I bought a 45l one about five years ago soon after they first came out from Tiso in Rose Street, "uni-sex", before they started making women's models, which I have used for many long distance walks since and taken on overseas trips and I love it. But as far as I know, apart from the waterproof daysacks, they seem to have disappeared from the shelves and I have not seem them being reviewed for years. Shame really.
20/04/2005 at 07:43
Andy,

That's the conclusion I've reached about backpacks as well. Last year I was looking into some of the very light American ones and was all set to buy one, but then I read a few things about the need to pack very carefully in order to be comfortable, and thought again. I'd rather be comfortable than save a kilo that isn't actually causing me a problem.

It's interesting what you say about the old-style Macpac Pursuit. That's what I've been using for the last 12 months or so for weekend backpacks. I've not actually found it too bad. What do you dislike about the feel of it with weight?
20/04/2005 at 09:27
It's horses for courses really. If you're going to carry 35-45lbs then you'll need a pack capable of carrying that kind of weight. On the other hand if you get your pack weight down to round about 25 lbs then there are a number of ultra light packs that will do the job for you. And of course there are many people who can only afford one pack. I'm using the Z-Pack and the G-pack from Gregory at the monemt and they are superb, provided I don't overload them. The Osprey Atmos 50 pack is another lightweight (about 3lbs) pack well worth considering, and it will carry fairly good loads - I reckon up to about 35lbs, comfortably. The Craghopper packs were pretty good but I believe Regatta, who own Craghoppers, decided they wanted to concentrate on high-volume gear and as a result Craghoppers more or less became a travel clothing company. Pity really...
20/04/2005 at 10:39
I have an old Craggy Dynamic Balance pack - it's fab. It was heavily criticised for being heavy 'on the ground' - and it is - but believe me, when it's on your shoulders, the DB system and excellent fit (on me) negated any weight penalty - it didn't feel heavy on, at all.

It was allegedly 40L but TBH it fits in more kit than many 50L packs and it is now my backpacking sac of choice. The compression straps and wand pockets also work well (and happily take a wet tent etc) and so it makes a useful day sac for winter. It has a velcro ice-axe loop which is far easier to manipulate than any other system I have tried.

RIP Craggy DB.
20/04/2005 at 10:40
Hey look! There it is!! ---->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
20/04/2005 at 15:28
Aarn Tate, who designed the Craghoppers packs, now makes similar designs himself:

http://www.aarnpacks.com

UK distributors are listed as

Peragro Ltd.
9 Folly Lane
St Albans, Herts. AL3 5JU
Tel+44 172 784 0532

Breaking Away/High Adventure
28 Holywell Hill,
St. Albans, Herts AL1 1 BZ
Tel: 01727 833586
E-mail: breakingaway@virgin.net

As Cameron says, you need a pack designed for the weight you will be carrying. My loads have got lighter in recent years, as gear in general has got lighter and I've cut down on some of the stuff I carry, so I've been using lightweight packs more often. Really minimalist ones like the GoLite Gust are only comfortable with loads up to 30lbs, which is fine for me for 1-2 trips in summer. For loads up to 40lbs I find the ULA P-2 very comfortable. Outside of winter or treks where a week or mores food or several days water have to be carried 40lbs is the most I carry these days. If I'm carrying really heavy loads - 50lbs+ - I go back to my old 115 litre Dana Designs Astralplane, which weighs 71/4 lbs.




06/05/2005 at 11:25
Just back from a month away, and tagging onto the end of this debate. It's v.kind of Weepiglet to give such positive feedback - makes all the slog worthwhile! Ref PTC's comment about the Jaguar: what I hated most about that pack was the fact that the hipbelt wouldn't carry weight, and swivelled upward when load was applied. After the review came out, I had an email from someone at Karrimor saying that they think they had sent me an pack with an old hipbelt, which did indeed do what I said. Which was a shame, on their part. Maybe I'll test version with the latest hipbelt as a one-off, if anyone is interested? In general I think that as Andy Howell says, the men's and women's sacks are quite different, and the shocker about testing the women's packs with proper loads in, was how few really dealt with the weight. Anyway - I'm not going out of my way to be mean to anyone, just saying it as I see it. Brutal honesty, maybe - but also praise where it's due. If anyone thinks I'm out of line (apart from the manufacturers who are being criticised!) please let me know!
Next up - approach shoes, then soft shell. Oh, girlie soft shells - fantastic! Just wait! So, so much better than I expected. August issue, I think?
06/05/2005 at 14:06
Just a quick comment on the Crags Dynamic Balance pack - I thought it worked well with moderate to medium loads but distorted unpleasantly with heavy loads and couldn't really cope with them. Fine if you kept things light though.

I'd agree that there's a definite trans-Atlantic pack culture divide as well, though I think it's harsh to criticise the Crux for being uncomfortable. It isn't a backpacking sac designed on mountaineering basics, it's a full-on technical mountaineering sac.

I'm not sure that the Bioflex pack falls into the climbing mould btw. I like it a lot though in a funny sort of way, the best application for Bioflex might well be for a climbing pack, which Berghaus doesn't use it for. I can think of several unpleasant experiences teetering up morraines or exposed scrambles with a big, restrictive pack when Bioflex would have been a godsend.

Ultimately though, packs are a bit like boots. They suit or don't suit depending on your proportions. The Osprey and Gregory kit I've used though, has all been very impressive and I like the lattter day Golite stuff too.

OutdoorsMagic Editor | jon@outdoorsmagic.com 

09/05/2005 at 21:49
Hello

Just to let all you Craghoppers Dynamic Balance fans out there that I am selling a new and unsued Wild Places 40 litre Rucksack on Ebay Item number: 519562315. Or click the link below:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5195623158&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1

It comes with both the Omni Pocket and Balance Pockets and has honestly never been out of the house since I got it a few years ago. I just never got round to using it.

The starting bid is only £19.99 with no reserve so you could get yourself a bargain easpecially as they are no longer available.

Thanks
Rachel
13/05/2005 at 21:24
Girlie soft shells Judy!
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