Condition of paths in England & Wales

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08/09/2005 at 21:41
The Ramblers' Association is appealing for funds to be used in a campaign to improve the condition of rights of way in England and Wales. The RA claims, based on evidence collected by the Audit Commission, that the state of the path network is a national disgrace and that, on average, a walker is likely to encounter a problem every 1.25 miles (2km).

It is correct to state that a few local authorities have neglected their statutory duties shamefully with the result that their paths are in a parlous state, but in the main,, in my experience, the network is in a reasonable condition.

My reason for doubting the validity of the RA statisics is that I walk between 1,800 and 2,000 miles each year in many parts of the country and only rarely encounter a problem. Recently I walked 75 miles from Westminster Bridge to Littlehampton mostly on undesignated rights of way which are unlikely to get the attention that long distance paths and recreational routes are likely to receive. All the stiles, except one, were in good condition as were all the gates. There were no illegal obstructions nor problems with overgrown vegetation. There was one recently-broken stile which was easily circumvented by climbing the adjacent post and rail fence, and an intimidating notice indicating that guard dogs were running loose on the line of the right of way (I saw none).

What is the experience of OMers on both lowland and upland paths? Do you think the RA is correct in making a blanket condemnation of the state of the path network?
08/09/2005 at 21:44
Off the top of my head, the one thing I would say about this is that it seems to vary tremendously depending on where exactly you're walking.
08/09/2005 at 22:45
The electric fence that almost ompletely surrounds Hard Knott is a pain in the arse (or in the arm if you put your hand on a carbon fibre trekking pole while holding the wire down with it).
08/09/2005 at 23:53
Very varied. I usually find that popular public footpaths tend to be in pretty good nick - it's lowland the ones that are marked on the map but don't go anywhere interesting enough to attract a lot of traffic that are overgrown / dilapidated. I'm broadly in favour of any initiative that will maintain / improve access to existing lowland paths, though I'd rather upland paths were left 'unimproved', except of course where erosion is becoming a major problem.
09/09/2005 at 00:55
Surely promoting a wider access arrangment would reduce impact on the damaged routes by spreading the load?


09/09/2005 at 05:12
I think we need to be clear what we are discussing. I am referring to public rights of way that are recorded on the Definitive Map kept by highway authorities. The public have an absolute right to use these paths and they are shown on Explorer maps as green dashes. I am not discussing either access arrangements or non-definitive paths. For example, Dave Mycroft complains about an electric fence around Hardknott Fort. I have not been there for some time so have not seen the fence but my Explorer maps does not show a right of way that runs through the fort, although there is one that passes outside its northwest perimeter. This means that walkers do not have a right to enter the fort and it would seem unlikely that a right of way has ben obstructed.

I lead 10-mile circular walks for Londoners from towns within a 90-minute rail journey from the capital. I have a programme of more than 70 walks which I planned solely from maps, not guidebooks. In more than 700 miles I encountered no more than a handful of problems, all of them minor, and never once did I have to alter my planned route. This simply does not accord with the oft-repeated claim that a walker using a right of way is likely to encounter a problem every 1.25 miles.

I should be most interested to know the areas in which OMers have have found significant problems in following rights of way.
09/09/2005 at 06:47
Problems? Not me, that's for sure. I joined the Ramblers a long, long time ago after a farmer tried to prevent me from following a right of way. He'd already chopped down the public footpath sign and left it lying in a hedge. I followed the route anyway, with threats and cries of abuse ringing in my ears, and decided that I should sign up with the Ramblers and let them get on with the job of dealing with people like that.

Tens of thousands of miles later, I'm racking my brains to try and think of ANY instances where I've found my way blocked. No-one's told me to get off their land, no-one's blocked a right-of-way, and no signs have forbidden me entry. If I was experiencing problems every 1.25 miles (2km) I think I'd be out there forcibly hacking my way through and doing something about it. So, I'm as perplexed as anyone about these claims, or am I somehow walking in all the 'nice' places and subconsciously avoiding blocked paths?

Far from finding blocked paths on my travels, I've been pleased over the past few years to find Countryside Stewardship signs inviting me to walk in places that were never available to me before, and of course, I'm now finding Access Land signs popping up all over the place.
09/09/2005 at 08:46
Hugh, I think Dave meant Hardknott which is a hill on the side of the pass higher up than the fort. On the other hand, I don't think there's a public right of way over there either. But what implications does the Countryside and Rights of Way Act have for all this?
09/09/2005 at 08:51
The electric fence around Hardknott is a special case though. It was erected after all the sheep were slaughtered during the Foot & Mouth debacle. When the area was re-stocked with sheep, they'd have gone wandering all over the place without the fence to keep them in. After a few years, though, they'll be "hefted" - which means they'll be territorially attached to that chunk of Lakeland - and the fence will be removed. It's a pain (especially if you touch it) but it's also a temporary feature and you can be assured it will be removed just as soon as the sheep are hefted.
09/09/2005 at 08:52
A quick look at the Government's countryside access website seems to indicate that Hardknott is on access land. Or am I confused? It's likely. Anyway, I have to go and exercise my right to roam around tesco.
09/09/2005 at 08:53
Oh, yes, I think I'd heard that before about that fence. Mostly when I've been over there it doesn't seem to have been live. I've obviously been lucky.
09/09/2005 at 09:18
I had an experience in the Dent area 3 years ago where a path seemed to disappear at a wall. Upon further rooting around I found that a farmer had blocked off the stile. I found the nearest safe place to cross the wall - the stile had been left very unsafe - and carried on, looking over my shoulder.

The other main problem I have found is cattle. In the new issue of Trial are sketches of dairy bulls which 'should never be in access land / legal paths' yet I have found my path blocked by loads of those breeds. This is the first time that I knew that certain breeds shouldn't be there.

I have been charged and had to scramble very quickly over stone walls - yes, I know we're not supposed to, but I didn't fancy being gored. The bull was left on the other side of the wall snorting and scratting his front hooves at me, menacingly. I have no problems with fields of cows and spend many childhood rambles through fields of them, but the current practice of putting bulls in with females is very off-putting. They scare me. A ton of beef will win any argument with me. I've tried the tricks of waving hands and making nioses etc but they don't seem to work.
09/09/2005 at 09:19
Sorry! I confused the fort with the hill as Cath suggests. I don't really want to get diverted from the main point about the condition of rights of way but, as I understand it, CRoW (Countryside and Rights of Way Act) does not affect existing rights of way but confers an additinal right, for walkers only, of access to land so designated. Access points have to be provided but walkers are responsible for their own actions and some areas will be physically inaccessible and dangerous. Landowners must not attempt to deter walkers from exercising their right of access but are under no obligation to make it easy for them other than by providing access points at the boundaries of access land. Landowners can also close access land for certain periods for land management purposes.

Now, can we get back to the condition of rights of way, please?

And thank you Paddy for your interesting contribution.
09/09/2005 at 11:35
With the original subject of condition of paths in certain areas. I myself would love to go and help out with such activities in areas I walk regularly, however does anyone else find that whenever they look into helping the footpath work voluntarily that it always costs quite a bit of money.

I have limited resources available as I live on my own and the disposable income doesn't stretch to paying NT holiday fees or staying in set accomodation.

It'd be great if they offered volunteers the chance to work on the footpaths alongside experts at weekends and during times when they know quite a few people would turn up. But situations where people can turn up in the morning and do a days work then go camp and eat where they want for example.
09/09/2005 at 12:05
I think you have a point there Jamie. There are lots of "conservation holidays" out there, where the deal is that you pay them money, and they give you work to do!

Many years ago I went on one run by the Conservation Volunteers, which was quite cheap, with extremely basic accommodation and meals, and long hours on rain-swept mountainsides lugging boulders around. Some time afterwards, I found that there were day-projects with the same outfit that cost nothing, and I found these were great fun. I guess the problem is that they're not particularly well advertised.

I still look with pride along some of the paths I helped to construct, saving fragile areas getting trodden to mush, and it's great to see trees I planted getting bigger year after year.
09/09/2005 at 12:15
Contact your local Ramblers' Group via the national website www.ramblers.org.uk. Many groups have path maintenance working parties.
09/09/2005 at 13:54
> but the current practice of putting bulls in with females is very off-putting

Muy understanding is that a farmer may graze a bull on a field with a public footpath providing it is not a recognised dairy breed and is accompanied by cows or heifers.
09/09/2005 at 13:55
Muy? oh my!
09/09/2005 at 14:04
But that doesn't stop them 'going for' you in an alarming manner!
09/09/2005 at 14:05
...ooops AND after reading the Trial article, they often ARE a dairy breed....
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