What do you reckon?
Might be a problem if some wag decides to move them around!
We have numbered marker posts on the tracks at the waterfalls north of Ystradfellte, partly to aid walkers but also to aid MR teams (it's a popular call-out location).
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Wot Twigs said.
However, I think the rationale behind the markers is a bit optimistic: the sort of people who get lost on Snowdon are also the sort who are unlikely to have a map. But for more experienced walkers who, perhaps due to deteriorating weather, find themselves 'temporarily displaced' these grid ref markers could be useful and reassuring.
"But for more experienced walkers who, perhaps due to deteriorating weather, find themselves 'temporarily displaced' these grid ref markers could be useful and reassuring."
some one who doesn't know, perhaps, how to use their map is a blethering idiot who should be tied up and put under that stairs whilst an experienced walker (aka blethering idiot in more expensive clothing with a bad attitude) is simply "temporarily displaced".
love the logoc.
There was lively debate on this topic when the Snowdonia NPA asked for comments at a BMC regional meeting.
Those most against the idea (or preferring a simple 'code number' system rather than GRefs) were outdoors education providers, concerned that it will make setting navigation exercises impossible because students will be able to walk to the nearest stile rather than bothering to take bearings on distant landmarks.
Personally I would look at this the other way round - for instance with kids you would be able to ask them to work out the GR of a stile first, then get them to go and check their answers by looking at the tag.
The system is, I think, aimed firstly at the NPA being able to identify each piece of 'furniture' in the mountains, so that it's easier to report and arrange repair of broken stiles / gates etc since logging the precise design/position of each will be easier.
As for being a 'navigation aid' - there are certainly times when I have become misplaced in the mist and although I'm pretty sure of where I am, and can develop a navigation strategy to allow me to avoid any dangerous obstacles while I find a locatable landmark, the ability to locate, for example, which of 3 stiles along the length of a fence I have just reached may well be beneficial or at least comforting that I am where I think I am.
More importantly, if someone without any map skills who is lost on the hill can find a stile/gate before phoning for help, the MR team will be able to locate them far more quickly and in many cases may well be able to advise by telephone on the correct route off the hill (e.g. just follow the fence downhill and you'll soon reach the road) or to safety (go 100m up the hill and there's a sheepfold, shelter there while you wait for the rescuers), rather than having to send out a search party (or rely on phone signal accuracy) to locate them first.
The logic, Parky, is that someone may have a map and compass yet be unsure of their exact whereabouts in claggy conditions (perhaps having been a bit careless about ticking-off features as they go). In that situation, confirmation of their position by grid ref could be useful assuming they can translate grid refs to their map.
I wasn't being snobbish or adopting a bad attitude. I sometimes walk up high without a map but I think it's risky and if it ever lands me in the shit I'll have only myself to blame.
The West Riding of Yorkshire used to have grid ref on signposts at road junctions, certainly in the rural areas. My Dad used to work from Skipton, visiting farms and complained* that they all got removed with the 1974 boundary changes.
*most recently about a month ago, as we went up to Mallham...
What a bloody good idea! And so obvious. Saves having to dig out the GPS for a fix. Wouldn't want to see GR posts put up solely for that reason though. Wouldn't want them on top of Tors, or hanging stones either.
Not sure about the colour - but I suppose it shouldn't look like existing waymarkers. Or could it? Why not yellow?
And by the way - when walking at night locally I take a really bright torch with a narrow focus. Those yellow disks pop out of the darkness across fields from a quarter mile or more. Little yellow beacons in the night saying "this way please". There's time I'd welcome that on the hill.
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I was told many moons ago that Blue was the best colour for MR to spot when looking for casualties so easier to locate discs maybe? hence the colour.
Blue's no good at all....I've been looking for this one for years....
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