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Spiritburner
04/02/2012 at 22:14
Kelvin wrote (see)
 Gotta be able to carry maybe 25kg, so the real gram cutters are out. Floating lid required!!!

My choice for such loads (wave's Union Flag - made in UK)

Aiguille   I use the Verte with their huge optional side pockets if needed

Kelvin
04/02/2012 at 22:23
Aye - I reckon that may be my choice too. Look unbreakable and it'll have to put up with some climbing gear in it at times.
Edited: 04/02/2012 at 22:25
Matt C
04/02/2012 at 23:04
Kelvin wrote (see)
.... I'm on the lookout for a decent, light-ish and large sack for the next hols. Gotta be able to carry maybe 25kg, so the real gram cutters are out. Floating lid required!!!

PODsacs were always my choice for loads. 20 years ago I got one of their 70+ litre beasts with a parallux harness and basically if you could lift it onto your shoulders then it would carry comfortably. Kit has shrunk though and for the last few years a 53 litre POD Black Ice has been sufficient - I've carried over 20kg in it when necessary. I always wanted to get their massive XPODition pack but these days I don't think I'd have a use for it.

What counts as large, Kelvin? For a pack that's light-ish but pretty capable it might be worth a look at the Lowe Alpine Zepton 50 or Nanon 50:60. I got a Zepton last year and like it a lot - dyneema fabric, good suspension, floating lid. Lowe say 10-15kg load but I've had 17.5kg in mine and it wasn't struggling at that.

Edited: 04/02/2012 at 23:05
Kelvin
04/02/2012 at 23:14
I'm thinking more of a bag suitable for a two/three week hols, all the usual kit I can 'just' manage with the Villain but add rope, rack, smaller sack and maybe a 3kg 2 man tent - dunno to be honest but a pretty clean 75ltr would be about right. I like hip pockets and drinking water out of a bottle, that's were Aquile fall down.
Spiritburner
05/02/2012 at 08:58
Aiguille do a pouch to fit on the hipbelt.  Drink bottle is a issue though - before the bladders came out I did have a nalgene botlle holder to fit on a hip-belt to go on my old Lowe.  Dunno who made it but would be easy to make.  Certainly back when I got my Aiguille, POD used similar robust clean design. 
Kelvin
05/02/2012 at 09:10
There's also the big Crux to add to the Pod and Aquille. I guess there are other's in the same vain but non of these have hip pockets, which I guess is down to getting in the way of an harness on glacial crossings. I do have a trio chest ouch, so that in itself is not a deal buster... it's the water thing, just somewhere to hold 500ml in easy reach. Chest strap holders I just can't get on with.
ed h
05/02/2012 at 09:15
I use a neoprene side pocket for the 'pocketless' hip belts on my Crux AK37/47; it slides on (I secure it with a bit of cord; sure they are available here.....or at least something like it)?

I bought mine in the US (yawn....gear utopia).
Kelvin
05/02/2012 at 09:42
... and we now have a Paddy out in the states, who's a bit of a gear fiend. It's all looking rosie.
El Manana
05/02/2012 at 12:40

Extra winter gear:-

warmer sleeping bag,warmer spare base layer, heavier waterproof, tuffbags, buffalo mitts, balaclava, buff, prism pants, extra primaloft jacket, delta mug, bigger headtorch, extra floor mat. Thats 2.2 kgs extra.

Tough Titty
05/02/2012 at 18:05
Bedouin wrote (see)
http://www.outdoorsmagic.com/members/images/58017/Gallery/Winter_pack2.jpg




 

Bloody hell those two bananas you couldn't fit inside the rucksack are massive !

Mole
05/02/2012 at 18:44

Kelvin - Golite Quest?

a bargain in the sale if you could get Someone (Irish?) to send you one back over

Kelvin
05/02/2012 at 19:14
That's a mad good price as well! Not tough enough tho I think Mole - plus that bit on the back is a bit gay. Had a hole put through the Villian with a walking pole somewhere in the hold of the plane and I think as a load carrier, I want proper strong. The Aiquille sacks always seem to give off a sense of indestructability, same with Crux. I may be wrong about the Golite, at that price it would be worth a punt maybe but my loft is full of sacks that I wasn't quite happy with and I reckon I'd always want something else if I bought that.
Edited: 05/02/2012 at 19:15
ed h
05/02/2012 at 19:17
Break down your poles when flying and sticky tape the ends into a couple of tough good quality cut-off plastic pots.....same with the axe...
Kelvin
05/02/2012 at 19:20
Seems Aiguille do hip belt pockets as extras too, removable ones like Edwood was on about. Next time in the Lakes I'd best go size one up I think.
Mole
05/02/2012 at 19:26

yeah -  not really a tuff climbing pack.  and agree the big pocket is a bit OTT - the only thing which I don't really like about it.

Problem is you probably won't get the decent capacity (or stretch)side pockets or hipbelt ones with one of those. 

I'd like to see the Aiguille harnesses before buying. 

Didn't like the crux hipbelt when I had a carry of one.

Kelvin
05/02/2012 at 20:15
Same here with the Crux hipbelt but didn't know if the biggest sack was a little different. Have had a good nose at a couple Aiguille sacks but not with the harness of the big ones but seeing as they are 'local', I could always ask about having one stretch pocket fitted on the left hand side. Then there's always the idea of buying a cheap, big sack that fits and replace it when it breaks!
I'm in no rush, won't need it till next winter.
huskyman
05/02/2012 at 21:15

How big and how heavy Kelvin?

 Are you looking a LWish one, or heavier 'near bomb proof' sack.

 I'd think, MHOO, if your carrying rope and rack, etc. LW may not be the best, to little support.

Kelvin
06/02/2012 at 06:19
I'm of the same mind chap - I have enough light sacks, so sturdy it is.
John Gregory 3
06/02/2012 at 08:16
It seems to me that the tenor of this topic is towards suffering.
I carry a Trangia, down filled mat, kilo bag, down jacket and Teddy in a Macpac Clasic, which gives plenty of room whilst being bombproof. Obviously in colder weather I take extra stuff, like a hot water bottle...........
Including the food, water, tea, coffee and toiletries bag my rucksack weighs about 35kg, so I am easily able to walk five or six miles a day knowing that I am travelling in 4 star luxury.
Spiritburner
06/02/2012 at 08:30
35kg?  Pah!  I carry that just in my sidepockets.
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