How much Persil required ?

Dodgy Knee

27/05/2002 at 23:03

Saw a few people on Pavey Ark at the weekend. Think they were probably doing Jacks Rake ? (sort of diagonally across bottom right to top left ?). I ain't got much of a head for heights and was wondering, once on it, is it likely to be a brown trouser job. Looked a bit tricky near the top ?
Also, on Dow Crag, the 'path'. Is it, or is it a scramble at the top ? Looked OK on the way up to Coniston Old Man.
Cheers

Ninja Marmot

27/05/2002 at 23:06

On Jack's Rake there's only one really exposed bit, rest of the time it feels like it's OK due to there being a safety 'rail' to your left.

The path to Dow Crag, is it the one up from Goat Hause? We were going to do it last month but howling winds, fog, hail and 2 kids with us meant that we went down to Goat Water instead...

Ninja Marmot

27/05/2002 at 23:08

Oh, and avoid Jack's if it's snowy or icy....that IS a brown trouser jobbie...

Jon Doran

27/05/2002 at 23:12

Yeah, Jack's Rake is generally tucked away so doesn't feel exposed at all except for one short bit when you see the drop to your left. In the dry and without ice, it's very straightforward.

Not sure which path you mean on Dow, the one up from the col between Dow and the Old Man is a proper path though, not a scramble. Also, part of the path from Goat's Water up to Goats Hause was built by yours truly on a BTCV conservation break about seven years ago and very nice it is too.

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Jon Doran

27/05/2002 at 23:18

We did Jack's Rake with ice on it, quite entertaining at the top it was. There's a direct finish which is Grade IV winter or something like that.

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Ninja Marmot

27/05/2002 at 23:20

Easy Gully with verglas and snow is 'entertaining' too...<muttering darkly>

Dodgy Knee

27/05/2002 at 23:46

On Dow Crag, it goes up left from the stretcher box at the top of the scree and looked to be well worn.

Hedgehope Aztec

28/05/2002 at 09:04

The Rake it's self is a Winter grade 1 in er, winter and a grade 1 scramble in dry conditions. After rain it acts a bit like a drainage trough. I never seem to finish it the same way though. Once the rake peters out, is there a 'proper' finish.

Jon Doran

28/05/2002 at 10:08

The stuff actually on Dow is all either graded climbing or scrambling. I think what you're describing is Soth Rake, which is a climbers' descent route. I've never come down that side - help me out anyone who has - but I suspect that it's probably worth avoiding if you don't like heights. I'd generally be wary of descent routes used by climbers. They may look straightforward, but can turn out to be grade 3 scrambles...

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Jon Doran

28/05/2002 at 10:21

Ooops, South Rake, I meant/

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joan collins

28/05/2002 at 10:29

If only I could afford to visit the Lakes these days. I've recently booked a return to Austria and two to Glasgow (all air) for less in total than a return rail 'Saver' to Kendal. Something wrong there.

Hedgehope Aztec

28/05/2002 at 11:03

How much and where from joan? Couple of weeks ago I went to the Lakes (Windermere) by train, it cost £25 return from Coventry, which I didn't think was too bad. To get to Stansted Airport costs me £40! Oh to live on the flight path.

Ben Hedley

28/05/2002 at 11:24

ah.... £50 return from Shrewsbury on a student saver return!!!!

Its still £40 odd by coach

joan collins

28/05/2002 at 11:56

£59.60 London to Kendal, Mike. And that's a 'Saver'. A standard open return is about £170 (sic). For which a bit of digging could get you a flight to New York. Yet the trains are still packed - don't understand it.

Hedgehope Aztec

28/05/2002 at 12:03

The standard fares are a joke. When I have to travel to London it's £77 and sometimes I have to stand. If only Stansted was a bit nearer or Ryanair flew from Brum.

David Maggs

28/05/2002 at 13:06

Rail fares and the rail services in the UK are joke, along with petrol prices! Thank god for budget airlines… I managed a trip to the Sierra Nevada (Spain) in Jan for just under £130 (inc. Flight, hotel and car). Yet a trip to Scotland two months before cost be the best part of £300.

Dave Moseley

28/05/2002 at 16:01

And they wonder why folks go abroad, I would imagine their public liability insurance has gone up quite a bit recently though:-)

Dave Moseley

28/05/2002 at 16:13

On Dow Crag, going up lef from the MR box is Great Gully which is OK, a bit loose in places, probably grade 1, or sloping up to the right is "Easy Terrace" which I think is what Jon might be thinking of which is grade 3 and often used as a descent route by climbers, been down it but not up

Jon Doran

28/05/2002 at 16:42

Nope, I was thinking of South Rake, which goes diagonally left of Easy Gully and finishes at the far left of the top of the crag. Honest I was. That's the one that's closest to the original description. Easy Terrace runs over C and D buttresses then down.

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Dodgy Knee

28/05/2002 at 19:25

The one I'm on about is actually marked as a path on the OS map. Didn't do it because it wasn't obvious where it went when looking from Goat's water level, but was clearly visible from the hause. Some people seemed to disappear off up some vertical gulleys about threequarters of the way up, but think it may have kept going diagonally all the way to the top ?

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