Navigating whiteouts

Any advise please

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30/05/2012 at 13:31
"you need to remember that the UK's hills were conquered long before one could buy an OS Landranger" or a compass. but probably not in a whiteout.
30/05/2012 at 14:18

Oh.  Did we not get whiteouts before, say, 1930?  Damn bad luck for anyone in the sheep business if we did...

30/05/2012 at 14:42

<But let's say it was none.  Would these exceptions somewhere mean that maps are always "essential" throughout the whole of the UK?  There's no shortage of tracks in lowland England where the waymarking is fine, so neither maps or guides are needed.>

 I maintain that, with a few exceptions listed below, a map or guidebook is essential in lowland countryside to navigate a specific route from A to B on public paths competently and without trespassing. This is based on the assumption that you are not familiar with the area.

1    Not all public paths are signposted from roads despite it being a legal requirement.
2    Signposts rarely indicate the destination of a path.
3    Waymarks, even where they exist, merely show the direction of a path. If you come to a junction of several waymarked paths you will not know which one will take you to your intended destination.
4    Public paths are not always visible on the ground and it is easy to be misled into believing that a tractor trail or a wide headland is a public path.

The only exceptions that come to mind are:
1    National trails which are normally exceptionally well waymarked with the acorn symbol which will indicate that you are following the correct route.
2    Some recreational routes are also well waymarked with a distinctive symbol.
3    if you are content to wander aimlessly without a specific destination in mind and also providing that the local waymarking is sufficiently consistent to prevent your trespassing.
4    If you are one of those rare persons with what is popularly known as a 'photographic memory' I suppose that it is just possible that you may be able to memorize the map sufficiently well to recollect the route as you walk. Even so, you would have used a map even if you did not take it with you.

30/05/2012 at 14:55

The only exceptions that come to mind are:
<snip>

Sorry Hugh, but if you're going to use "only" then it doesn't make sense for your pool of exceptions to be enormous! (Number 2 is a particularly big "but"). It's a bit like saying "no new cars at all, except the ones with metallic paint"...

You'll typically find me with a map or guide and I maintain they are a good idea, but that's not the same thing as "essential".

Pete.

30/05/2012 at 15:17

Pete

There are approximately 120,000 miles of public paths in England of which national trails account for a mere 2,500 miles. The total mileage of well-waymarked recreational routes is probably not known but in my experience they can only account for a modest fraction of the total mileage of public paths. I have found that the waymarking on many of the recreational routes marked on OS maps leave lot to be desired and require to be navigated with a map or guidebook in hand.

Hugh

30/05/2012 at 16:30

The total mileage of well-waymarked recreational routes is probably not known but in my experience they can only account for a modest fraction of the total mileage of public paths.

A "modest fraction"... let's guess at 1% just to be pessimistic.  1% of ca. 120,000 miles is still plenty of scope for plenty of people to go for a dander without a map.  As is a "mere" 2,500 miles. of national trails  It might be a small fraction of the whole path network, but it's still a lot of miles.  

Pete.

30/05/2012 at 20:59
Great discussion here but seriously off-topic? Maybe start a new thread(s).....
31/05/2012 at 06:58

Redscotti is quite right, we have strayed a long way from the subject raised by the OP and I apologize for my part in this diversion. This will be my last comment on this subject but feel it is important because I would not like a newbie to be misled by some of Pete's assertions.

I concede that it is may be possible to follow some routes through lowland countryside without maps and relying solely on signposts and waymarks but, in practice, it is not and it is unwise to attempt it as the following examples will demonstrate.

Some years ago I was following a short section of the Ridgeway National Trail which I knew so well that my map was in my rucksack. I arrived at the high-level, 100-metre long pedestrian bridge over the A41 near Tring in Hertfordshire to find that the night before thieves had stolen the metal metal railings and the police had closed the bridge.  There were, as yet, no diversion signs in place so without a map it would have been impossible for me to work out how to continue my walk.

A few weeks ago, I was following the Thames Path National Trail which had been diverted near Dorney to allow the construction of the Olympic rowing lake. There were diversion signs but they were not at all clear and I believe that I might have gone astray had I not consulted my map.

Some recreational routes follow roads for as long as a mile or so. Without a map or a guidebook how long do you follow the road before you begin to wonder whether you have passed the path that turns off the road? Signposts can go missing or are badly sited and not easily seen. A map will indicate how far you have to follow the road before reaching the path.

In some places, notably the Chilterns and the Surrey hills, the path network is so dense and complicated that there can be half a dozen waymarks on a single post directing you along, a couple of footpaths, a bridleway, a circular walk, a nature trail and a recreational route so that it is often difficult to ascertain which path you want for your route.

What if the pub at which you had planned to eat has closed? Only a map will show you whether there is another nearby.

Finally, how do you know which of the numerous recreational routes are sufficiently well waymarked that they can be followed without a map?

My advice is always to take a map and enjoy peace of mind.

Hugh

31/05/2012 at 08:03

I walk around our local woods without a map - even into parts I've not been into before.  It's not waymarked.  A lot of the other paths around here are, such as the Red Kite Trial.  I've bever seen any walkers locally with a map out that I remember.  

If I did the Red Kite Trail I'd take a map to save the inconvenience of taking the wrong route if signage is missing, something which can easily happen close to urban areas but could probably get away without it.

So Hugh, Peter is of course right.  Your advice is however spot on & more relevant & any newbie reading the thread is unlikely to make any decision on carrying a map or not on one pedantic viewpoint so I'd rest easy & give your keyboard a rest.  

If they do, that's life I guess & also another of the ways we learn stuff.

Edited: 31/05/2012 at 08:03
31/05/2012 at 10:25

Perhaps to clarify...

my point about nothing much being "essential" was in response to Waldo asking for a list of what of what was "essential", and moving on from ed's suggestion that implied it's not necessarily about stuff.

That had got beyond the realities of whiteout navigation, as noted.

My advice is always to take a map and enjoy peace of mind.

That's why I typically carry a map.  But preferable for certain modus operandi and essential for all aren't the same thing.  Otherwise that way lies crampon capable boots and full waterproofs to amble round a country park on a nice Sunday afternoon, and condemning practically all our hobby's pioneers as irresponsibly under equipped.

The important bit is knowing what you can do and if it's enough for the job at hand.  If what you can do includes reading a map and the job at hand is made much easier with a suitable map, take a suitable map.  But don't take a map just because of a blind assumption that "a map is essential".  Rule #1 is "engage brain", not "pack a map".

Pete.

31/05/2012 at 12:58

> Rule #1 is "engage brain", not "pack a map".

Or, put another way:

Q: What kit is essential?

A: It depends...

31/05/2012 at 22:14
I think like Parky said previously.Essentials are different
for each individual.
Over the years,Iv'e taken part in many orienteering challenges
and LDWA events without the need for the immediate accuracy
offered by a GPS .One needs a challenge. Michael Tobias in his
article "Sinai" says " getting lost is the only way to challenge
everything you know or believe in". That, taken from Roger Smith's
book "The Winding Trail" a tremendous book on walking.
Perhaps then we should not be too concerned about navigation
to an eight or even six figure GR..
Let's allow ourselves a little "space" and lose ourselves
occasionally. Cheers.


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