Welsh 3000s...?

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26/06/2012 at 13:11
A mate and I are planning on setting ourselves a monthly "challenge" and we're thinking of doing the Welsh 3000s as an overnight bivvy trip.

Has anyone got any good routes which don't involve any scrambling? (I hate scrambling!) As we're going to be self sufficient we're happy to be off the beaten track a bit....

Cheers,
26/06/2012 at 13:27

I think you'd struggle to do Crib Goch without scrambling, and Tryfan would be pretty-much impossible. Neither peaks are difficult, you just need to work out why you don't like scrambling then cure the problem. It'll open up a whole world of fun!

I'm doing the 3000s again this weekend, weather permitting. Last time I did it I couldn't walk properly for a fair old while afterwards (as in, for a few weeks). This weekend I'm hoping to halve the time managed last time... It could be painful.

26/06/2012 at 17:16
Well I've done Crib Goch in the past so was planning on missing that out anyway...

I just find scrambling to be a confusing middle ground and have climbed myself into trouble on several occasions! I originally hated it so took up climbing to get over it - all that happened then was I got a lot better at climbing and getting into precarious situations.

I'm hoping to plan a route for a late start into the hills on the Friday and set up a bivvy, walk all day saturday with another bivvy and then back to the car for the drive back on the Sunday.
26/06/2012 at 17:24
Off the top of my head, you could go up Snowdon and the one nextdoor (Garnedd Ugain??) and bivvy up there. Next day walk off down to Nant Peris down the train track and then start up Elidir Fawr. Do the Glyders (minimal scrambling) and then do Tryfan if you want. If not, I think you can get off Glyder Fach down to the road. You can probably (I've not done it but from memory it'd work) bivvy below Pen yr ole Wenn, then do the rest of the Carneddeau. Getting back to the car would be a bit of a pig, but I think there was a thread about this recently.
26/06/2012 at 18:44
Ta, I'll check it out. In fairness I imagine I'll get shamed into crib goch anyway!
27/06/2012 at 09:36

Tryfan's pretty mild scrambling if you're doing a S-N 3000's route, just make sure you come off down the path on the west side rather than trying to follow the North ridge down.

Crib goch is more exposed but apart from the pinnacles (which can apparently be bypassed but I've never bothered) not really technical.

If you want to do 'All' the 3000s you need to include Castell y Gwynt which adds a further 50 feet up and down of scrambling, but it's enjoyable. The summit rockpile of Glyder fach involves some clambering over rocks with big gaps between too, and can be time consuming if you don't know the best rocks to clamber up.

None of these are avoidable if doing the 3000s but shouldn't be a problem for anyone with some scrambling and climbing experience.

The scree sections - getting off Crib Goch, up Glyder Fawr and down from Glyder Fach (and Tryfan if you take the shortest route to the road) are far more of a hassle (and in places more dangerous) than the scrambling.

Planning it as a weekend, even with 2 overnights, is still not easy if you need to do a round trip. Have a look at the several other threads on the 3000s, the most recent of which does indeed discuss public transport alternatives for leaving the car somewhere.

Friday night late start means you'll probably only make it up to the first peak. Sunday return walk/transit to the car will mean there may not be much time for actual route walking on the Sunday so basically you're still looking at a single day 3000s walk, with camp/bivvys somewhere near each end.  

If you have enough time on the Sunday and are going to use transport for the return trip you may be able to leave a few peaks for the morning - a N-S route with the car at Aber, a camp at Llyn Anafon or on Foel Fras on Friday and another in Cwm Glas Mawr / Cwm Uchaf ready for doing Crib goch via the North ridge in the morning should leave time to get to Snowdon mid morning, back down to Pen y pass for lunch and get public transport back to the car by late afternoon.

A 'round trip' from the car is a far longer undertaking, but easiest is probably parking at Llyn Ogwen, fitting in the Carneddau as an 'out and back' (?with a camp on the ridge somewhere) and cutting across the miner's track between Snowdon and Ogwen to avoid doing the glyders twice.

Edited: 27/06/2012 at 09:38
27/06/2012 at 22:24
Good pointers there thanks, I think the Friday start will give us enough time to do a couple of peaks so that'll be a headstart.
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