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Paramo From The Horse's Mouth...

Confused by Paramo's directional clothing system? Paramo founder Nick Brown kindly popped up on the OM forum to explain exactly how it works.


Posted: 26 August 2004
by Jon

Paramo's Directional Clothing System has always been slightly confusing, okay, in fact the way it works has always been very confusing, something not helped by the fact that in hydrostatic head lab tests, which measure the water pressure a fabric can withstand, Paramo's fabrics are not technically 'waterproof'.

Strange analogies with animal fur notwithstanding, a lot of people simply don't really get it. In the end it seems you either accept that Paramo works to protect you in real life conditions and get on with it, or scratch your head repeatedly until a bald spot appears.

Until now that is... Paramo always seems to provoke lively debate on the OM forum and a recent thread was no different, with different theories and explanations being bandied back and forth. Then, unprompted by us, who should appear but none other than Nick Brown himself.

The Man In Person...

Nick is the man who put the 'Nik' into Nikwax and invented Paramo's clothing concept of a windproof water-resistant outer coupled to a 'pump liner' designed to move liquid outwards away from the body. He tested the prototype garments in the Colombian Andes, where the high altitude scrubland is known as 'paramo', hence the name. And the clothing is still manufactured in Colombia - not a lot of people know that...

Anyway, Nick very patiently took the time to explain in both layman's and highly technical terms exactly how Paramo clothing actually works. It's fascinating stuff, if you're into that sort of thing, and underlines the value of the forum - the manufacturers really do read OM and take note of what you say.

Thanks to Nick for taking time out of his busy boot-proofing schedule to explain what's wha and if you want to read it, the forum thread is linked to below.


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Hi

Is Paramo gear still to be recommended?

I was thinking of buying some Paramo gear but I notice

a) Not a single stockist in London (WHY?)

b) I went to four mountaineering shops in High Street Ken and no one had even HEARD of Paramo!!

c) I notice the range hasnt expanded much in the last couple of years...
e.g. The only colour of trousers you can get seems to be blue!!

d) And the most recent review on this site (www.outdoorsmagic.com) was 2003 (as far as I can see...)

e) Their own website (www.paramo.co.uk) seems to be impossible to buy from - or is it just me?!!

Are they in financial trouble or something.

If so this is a terrible shame. I like the fact that I can walk into a gorse bush an not utterly ruin my jacket (as happens with any gortex-type shell) and I like the fact that it does wear out and that it doesnt russle. (I use it for birding & fairly extreme hill walking in the W Highlands of Scotland)

I have an old plane green Paramo jacket which I rather like. [Not sure if it is an Alta or a Cascada, but it has a hood and an internal breast map pocket...] I've had it for about 3 years and it works well. I use it for cycling and was thinking about getting something much brighter (and lighter!)

And or maybe just a lighter one...?

I also need a pair of waterproof trousers for hillwalking.

I find that the water doesn bead off like it used to even though I wash it in all both the recommended Nikwax things. I also tumbledried it as hot as I dared - it even began to shrivel at one point...!

In desperation I actually tried some grangers equivalent to NikWax's TX Direct & Tech Wash and that seemed to work slightly better - though of course it too stops beading after a while... but it seemed to bead the water better for longer and it doesnt smell so horrible when you put it in the tumbledrier!

I find it strange that Paramo seems so good to me and yet it hasnt really taken off (not in London anyhow, it hasnt!!)

-Or is there something else similar on the market that is cheaper and/or better?!

Can anyone help?


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Shiperton Henethe


Posted: 13/08/2004 at 17:06


paramo recomendation - top gear. in my opinion.

this year saw new trousers - the zip off leg ones, and the snazzy jacket, both about a third lighter than before.

reason for trousers being blue is the manufacturing village (in bogotoa i think)could only do different colour OR different length - not both. so length won. for some reason it wasn't possible for both.

the same beading thing happened to my jacket. it was re-treated at their premises. works like new now.if you contact paramo i think they would be very helpful.

apparently if you use a domestic washing machine for re-treating it must free from all traces of washing powder, that might explain the reduction in beading over time.

there is other stuff the same as paramo, made in scotland somewhere (or an island off), i think it is even heavier, bright are the colours - like very bright, and more expensive. but they will make the garment pretty well how you want it.

you may have started something by suggesting paramo might not be financially secure.


call the paramo police! dee-door dee-door

Posted: 13/08/2004 at 18:33

Yes its still to be recommended.

I don't hink I've ever seen a stockist in London.

The nearist one that I know is up the A41 at Bourne End just past Hemel Hempstead and they are a fairly big stockist although even they have cut back a bit in recent years. There's another place in St. Albans that can order stuff on your behalf, but being a very small shop doesn't stock much of the gear on site.

Otherwise we rely on visits to Derbyshire and the Lake District to replace our Paramo gear. (We being myself and two friends.)

They have been bringing out new stuff and new designs, but sales do seem to be declining. This is possibly due to the gear lasting ages.

Posted: 13/08/2004 at 18:39

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