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GOF wrote (see)

Um, well since I am distinguishable as I have an Irish accent, the comment was (IMHO) racist as it refered to (a) my ethnicity and (b) my ethnic origin.

I think you want to go back and look at the definition of racism

here is a start

Oh, there was secret context! Well, I'm sorry I failed to spot where you were going there. If you think the incident was racist, I'll defer to you. As far as I'm concerned, the fact that the owner of the beacon of hope project considered the incident racist is good enough for me, too.

I'd ask what exactly it was I said that disagreed with the definition of racism in your link. But, y'know, this discussion is about as fruitful and worthwhile as past 4x4 ones have been. I'm not going to try and reiterate the point I was trying to make, only recast in legally watertight language. I'm not even going to bother suggesting there's a difference between nationalistic hatred and xenophobia and racism. There's simply no point.

Parky Again wrote (see)

Now i'm confused. If the Angel and I visit somewhere,let's say Cornwall for example, and we get told to go back where we came from, then they are just being common or garden rude to me but being racist to the Angel? An interesting definition of racist.

I don't know, are they being racist? You didn't say.

The fact that different ethnicities may be involved doesn't automatically imply racial discrimination, any more than a dispute I might have with someone of a different gender than me is automatically a sexist one.

Parky Again wrote (see)

An interesting definition of racist.

It is hardly a definition, more an observation that without any observable ethnic differences between the parties or the issues involved, calling it racism seems rather inappropriate.

GOF wrote (see)

I beg to differ,  last time I looked  my passport was both British and carried a photograph of a distinctly white guy and yet I have been told, to my face to "feck off back to where you came from"

Yes? If you're indistinguishable from the people offering the abuse, it ain't racism. I'm sure plenty of English folk could get that sort of reaction by visiting somewhere suitably nationalist in Wales, Ireland, Scotland, Liverpool, wherever.

Being seen as an outsider is not the same as racism... that's why we actually have a word to describe a particular kind of discrimination. There's little enough unambiguity in our language as it is; please don't muddy the waters further.

Jester* wrote (see)

In the village I live in if you aren't born here you are an outsider.

Exactly.

MSR Hubba Hubba HP, Tarptent Scarp 2, Golite SL3. The topic has been discussed on here so many times, you should have no problem finding a recent thread.

The Grid is a perfectly good option, incidentally.

twiglegs wrote (see)

Edit: Btw, the whole 50:50 split thing is pointless, you carry the tent they carry the water. 

Weeell... its nice to know that if your partner does fall off a cliff you still have something you can cower underneath to keep some of the weather off.

I think all of the tents listed above are simultaneous pitch, however, and separating the two layers each time you strike camp, and reassembling them  when you stop again will get very tedious.

Bedouin wrote (see)

The average deposit for a home in London is touching £70,000 maybe if a few more Londoners screamed racism then they'd get a bit more sympathy?

There's a tiny wee disparity in average income and levels of employment between Cornwall and London.

Bedouin wrote (see)

Many people who've bough holiday homes in Cornwall have also felt the warmth of welcome from a certain minority of the Cornish population without the feeling the need to scream racism.

There's nothing particularly racist about a bunch of white British folk being unpleasant towards another bunch of white British folk. There's also nothing particularly unusual about rich business people and landowners getting grief from the locals in areas with a large number of poor, unemployed and generally disenfranchised people.

Guy running a charity though? That's a bit different.