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In a classic tail wags dog scenario, a lively debate on the OUTDOORSmagic forum has become a news story of its own on the BBC web site and air waves. Who needs the Big Brother house?


Posted: 1 June 2005
by Jon

In a curious twist on normal internet life, the OUTDOORSmagic forum and its members have actually become the news with a busy OM forum thread forming the basis for a BBC story.

It all started when walking author Hugh Westacott popped onto the forum asking for feedback on safety advice for women walkers based on the first draft of the latest edition of his book, 'The Walker's Handbook'. He said that although the chances of women actually being attacked in the outdoors were low, women who were nervous should consider walking either with 'a companion or dog' and 'carrying a personal alarm or some other deterrent'.

Hugh also suggested that male walkers modify ther behaviour to avoid causing anxiety, for example by leaving a good distance if walking in the same direction and not holding gates open.

In classic OM forum stylee, the post elicited a massive response, now almost 500 messages, with posters agreeing, disagreeing and in some cases both. And of course, in a few instances - in the usual forum way - things became a little heated.

No surprises there then, except that the BBC picked up on the story and ran an extensive online article as well as broadcast radio references. In the story, Westacott is quoted as saying that '"Terrifying" government statistics made him ashamed to be a man.'

The Beeb then goes on to quote individual OM forum user - both men and women - who, to be honest, seem to have a rather more balanced take on the situation than Mr Westacott himself and present a worryingly compelling case for the OM forum being a home for balanced, reasonable debate... That'll never catch on ;-)

The full forum thread is linked below and you can see the full BBC article on the BBC news site.


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I regularly lead day walks, and occasionally longer trips, for two London-based women's clubs most of whose members are ex-pats from the US and Canada. Several times I been asked for advice on whether it is safe for a woman to walk alone in the countryside and it has become clear to me that many women fear for their safety when alone.

I am currently writing the fifth edition of my book 'The Walker's Handbook' and you will find below my first draft on the subject. I should be grateful for constructive comments.

'Female walkers may worry about their physical safety in the countryside which should make we males ashamed of our sex. Men do not suffer the indignity of being groped on crowded Underground trains nor subjected to unwanted comments about their appearance so it is difficult for them to appreciate the apprehension that some women feel when encountering a stranger in a lonely place. Although the chances of a woman being assaulted whilst walking in the countryside are negligible, mainly because predatory men are much more likely to seek a victim in an urban car park, nevertheless there have been a handful of cases in the last thirty years and many more of women being made apprehensive by thoughtless rather than improper behaviour. Even though the risk is usually perceived rather than actual, women who are nervous should consider walking either with a companion or a dog and also carrying a personal alarm or some other deterrent.

Male walkers can play their part by considerate behaviour because although you know that you are harmless and have no evil intent, a woman does not. Nowadays, most men appreciate that greetings such as “What’s a gorgeous girl like you doing all alone out here, then?” are boorish, offensive and intimidating, but may not realize that their own behaviour could also be misconstrued.

The following advice to men is based upon the author’s discussions with members of women’s walking clubs:

1 If you are walking in the same direction as a female, you know that it is because you are both heading for the same destination. However, she might wonder whether you are deliberately stalking her, so you should leave a considerable distance between you. If walking faster, you should wait for a suitable, non-threatening opportunity to overtake.

2 If a woman is behind you and walking faster, stop to take a photograph or rummage in your rucksack to allow her plenty of time to pass and get some distance ahead before you resume walking.

3 When you meet a woman greet her pleasantly but neither engage her in conversation nor look back when you have passed her.

4 Small courtesies that would be agreeable in a town should be avoided to prevent the woman feeling any obligation towards you. If you meet near a gate, do not hold it open and wait for her, but walk through and call out ‘Will you shut the gate, please?’ Similarly, if you meet at a stile do not attempt to help her over.'



Posted: 03/05/2005 at 08:24

4. you mean abandon good manners by holding a gate open? if anyone can feel intimidated by this action then perhaps they should not be out at all.

2. you've spotted a woman walking faster behind you....by looking around? then you stop. are you rummaging or are you waiting to pounce? looks like a no win situation. or unless you're being stalked!

1. this is just paranoia

3. this is good manners irrespective of sex.

Posted: 03/05/2005 at 08:42

Appreciate all that you are saying Hugh, but in my experience this seems a little OTT and perhaps feeding the fears, rather than dispelling them.

I have seldom seen a lone female walking and have to say that I would caution against lone men taking to some of the more remote places. (obviously for different reasons)

A few years ago a Paramedic friend and I were coming down from Penyfan in a horrendous snowstorm and saw a lone female who turned out to be a 20 year old student making her way up.

My Paramedic Friend lives a the foot of Penyfan and knows this area like the back of his hand. We intervened and suggested that she abandon her ascent and she accompanied us down the Roman road escape route back to the car park. In 20 years of walking, this is the ONLY time I have seen a "lone female."

As you say, the "predatory male" is hardly likely to be "hunting" for a lone female in such "wilds," but I wouldn't advice lone hiking in such places regardless of the sex of the walker.

I have encountered groups of females however, and in nearly all cases, they hardly notice me, usually making a fuss of my dogs, and then talking to me.

In all cases of meeting strangers on the hills, I am usually concentrating on controlling my dogs and utter the briefest of greetings as I pass. I usually ONLY engage in any further conversation at the other party's instigation.


As a member of the Ambulance service, I know that even we have to ask permission to treat a person's injuries and explain in advance what we are going to do, so any tactile contact is a big no-no, unless by invitation!

Posted: 03/05/2005 at 08:45

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