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Guy Newbold lives and works in the Wasdale valley, this is his disturbing take on the impact of organised Three Peaks Challenge events.


Posted: 5 July 2002
by Guy Newbold

OUTDOORSMAGIC member Guy Newbold is a walker and climber who lives and works in Wasdale. As the Three Peaks Challenge season hits its heights - hordes of walkers attempting to climb the highest mountains in Scotland, England and Wales, he's not a happy bunny. Here's a local's view of the damage inflicted in the name of good causes. Time for a re-think?

A lot has been said recently about the impact of the Three Peak 'challenges' held on Scafell Pike, Ben Nevis and Snowdon. The main problem with the debate is that most can only base their observations on individual events and there are few who are able to comment on it as a year-long phenomenon without being accused of vested interest and a local anti-tourist type of attitude.

Scafell Pike on a busy Easter weekend, but most
Three Peakers make the ascent in the dark causing
huge disruption for locals

Well I am a local of Wasdale, but I also make my living from visitors to the fells, so my viewpoint is as balanced as you could hope for. I wasn't born here, instead taking the route of the "off comer" settling in the area because of a deep love for the Cumbrian fells. I'm a climber, a walker, and a runner and a kayaker and perhaps my view may be of interest to some?

Thousands of people have done the Three Peaks challenge; some have done it as part of a large organised group and some as part of a smaller team. The rules are pretty random, some set a time constraint on completing the event - usually either 24 hours or three days - and some require you to start at certain points away from the peaks themselves. Whatever the rules most people arriving to climb Scafell Pike have already climbed one of the other peaks and most choose to begin from Wasdale as it represents the shortest possible route up and down.

Some Facts To Consider...

But before we get into the debate lets get a few facts straight:

? The majority of people will try to climb all three of the peaks in 24 hours.

? As a result of the above most will arrive at Scafell Pike during the night.

? The summer months around the longest day are the most popular times of the year although from May to October you will find groups doing it every weekend.

? Most people do the event as part of a large sponsored event raising money for a charity

? A large percentage will not beregular fell goers, as they are doing it solely to raise funds for a good cause.

? We are not talking about a couple of hundred people spread out over the year, it is hundreds of people each night, and nearly 6,000 each year.

? Wasdale has no mains water or sewage and only one public loo.

? 200 people using a path in one hour do ten times the amount of damage as 200 people do using the same path over the course of a week.

? Large numbers of people arriving in the middle of the night by minibus cannot do so quietly.

? People still need to go to the toilet even if there isn't one available.

? Some charities pay event companies to organise the events for them, the more the better for the company and the charity. It isn't just a fundraiser, it's big business. 2,000 eventers at £100 a head - someone's getting rich and it's not the charity.

Patience strained among locals woken almost every summer weekend...

Above Wasdale, looking towards Mickledore and Scafell
Crag - are Three Peakers simply missing the point?

So those are the facts, what's to debate? Well the problem is the event keeps on getting more and more popular as it raises more and more money for good causes. This has meant that patience is now low among locals who can spend almost all their weekends awake, visitors are not returning to the B and B's, hotels and campsites are empty as they too don't want to be kept awake and finally the environment is starting to suffer.

Wasdale is a remarkable place, remote and beautiful. It doesn't have the facilities of Ben Nevis or Snowdon and that's half its charm, it is still a remote wilderness. Scafell Pike doesn't have one main path and so there isn't a continuous pitched and paved route to the summit.

The summit plateau on Scafell Pike

The increased traffic is in concentrated time periods and so causes much more damage than the same number of feet spread over a week. The result is that paths are now becoming deep ruts 30 to 40 feet wide. Even the old Brown Tongue path which was redirected is now suffering and is slowly returning the large muddy scar it was before the renovation work was done 10 years ago as the sheer number of walkers means many ignore the new, pitched path.

No toilet facilities...

And the valley floor is fairing no better either, there are no adequate toilet facilities as there is no mains sewage, the result is little piles topped with tissue behind every wall and tree. The water too is in great demand as it all comes from private wells, which are all too easily drained by a team of thirsty Three Peaker. Litter now piles up during the night and the verges and green spaces are becoming bogs as the hundreds of minibuses churn them all up, even spaces reserved only for emergency vehicles are used as base camps during the night.

Answers?

Wasdale is taking a beating, and is not always a pretty or pleasant place to be. So what can be done? well relatively little actually. More parking can not be provided, nor can toilets and bins, as someone has to pay to install, equip, clean and empty them. That's without considering the effect they would have on the whole feel of Wasdale and the detrimental effect on the breathtaking natural scenery.

The fells paths can't all be pitched, as it would be hugely expensive and impact on the wild beauty of the hills. And try as they might hundreds of people booting up and preparing for a walk can't do so in silence. Rubbish will always be created try as they might to stop it but tell someone that they are doing something for charity and the ends will always justify the means.

So who can do something, the National Park? National Trust? Government? Well in a word no. You can't deny people the freedom of the fells, access is for all at all times of the day or night and long may it continue.

Charities need to be more aware...

To my mind the event needs to be controlled not on site, but in the planning stages and before. Charities need to aware of the damage they are causing and made to pay for the repairs, or installation of facilities. The event needs to be controlled so that it isn't going on during the night and large groups don't pick the same weekend.

But mainly and most positively the charities need to take a responsible stance and find something else to do instead. Sit in a bath of baked bean, don't talk for a month, shave your head anything but don't put 2,000 people on Scafell on a Saturday night! People who might volunteer to do it and charities that want the money need to think.

Please come to Wasdale and perhaps do the Three Peaks, you and a few friends, just don't come with one or two hundred close personal pals and definitely not in the middle of the night.

Guy Newbold


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Not sure if this ones already been discussed, but while i was slowly killing myself over boulders up the Ben on Sat, i felt an eerie feel of competitiveness, people pushing past or running at you, a distinct lack of idle chat and hellos, all of which i feel just makes that day,extra special. A majority of those were from the 3 peaks challenge crew. With a lot of trusts/communities concerned at ever increasing no.s of inexperienced people attempting feats like these,balanced with forces telling us all to get out there and be a part of it... what are your views on keeping/promoting these type of challenges ?
Posted: 02/07/2002 11:47

Erm, it has come up before and it's guaranteed to spark off some furious debate. Bottom line is that people dislike challenge walks for a variety of reasons ranging from them disturbing local people late at night with their minibuses and chatter, through erosion concerns to a more generalised feeling that they're not 'real walkers'. I'm ambiguous - I don't want to see mountains become coincidental arenas for essentially pointless challenges, but what they heck, they always have been. I'm not that convinced about the erosion qestion since 'real walkers' do quite a lot of that too and I'm not going to knock people for getting off their backsides and getting outside. I do feel sorry for locals who get woken in the middle of the night by hordes of walkers though and that shouldn't be allowed to happen. I guess I'd sum my views up by saying don't ban them, but it's about time that some of the organisers started to lace the competitive, do or die stuff, with some education and encouragement to treat other hill users with the courtesy they deserve.
Posted: 02/07/2002 12:07

If you're not sure whether something has been discussed, you can always use the Search facility cunningly hidden on the forums front page. The Three Peaks is a well-trodden route round these parts - try this for example.
Posted: 02/07/2002 12:09

Hate them. It wouldn't be so bad in smaller groups but each challange has hundreds of people all starting at the same time. Why can't they do something less damaging, like a sponsored fart. BTW I think you'll find the local MTRs aren't that keen on them.
Posted: 02/07/2002 12:14

Jon, I put it to you that Stanage, Burbage, etc are "coincidental arenas for essentially pointless challenges", not to mention erosion, loutish hordes, etc. Yet no-one suggests we ban rock climbing on these grounds. Just what is it about these 'Challenges' that gets people's backs up so?
Posted: 02/07/2002 12:15

I don't know. I think, to be honest, there's a lot of snobbery about people doing stuff like that not being 'proper' walkers, because maybe it's a one-off thing for a lot of them, though not all by any means. I reckon a lot of it is just prejudice backed up with rationalisations to justify that prejudice, like saying that Three Peak Challengers spread more litter or cause erosion or are dangerous. To be fair, the Wasdale MRT site mentions passing a load of them dressed in trainers and jeans, then again, they didn't have to rescue any of them. The only really good reason I can think of is people at the base of Scafell Pike being woken at 3 am by minibus engines, the rest of it, I think is prejudice and snobbery. They might not view the mountains in the same way as the typical outdoors fanatic, but so what? I don't like London much these days, but I have every right to go there and not be slagged off for not viewing the West End as the centre of the universe, he said, rather tortuously. Live and let live is what I say and if some of them get into the outdoors as a result, then that's great.
Posted: 02/07/2002 13:01

Mike - just think of the global warming! ---- Seeing as they are limited to three - often derided - mountains, 3PCs are pretty much harmless. Nevis and Snowdon have made paths geared for the tens (hundreds?) of thousands who climb them each year, so 3P people make no difference to erosion. I've said before I wouldn't mind a crack at it - after all weren't many people here doing the same thing in principle by attempting the 15 Peaks? But I can imagine buses and chatting walkers would seriously piss off poeple at Wasdale, 'beris etc. As Jon said more education on consideration -fundemental to the sustainability of many of activities - is needed. I'm sure the likes of Trail (and other popular mags), the BMC (and other popular relevant organisations) and maybe even OM (an other websites) could help here.
Posted: 02/07/2002 14:24

I also wonder if sleepy 3PC drivers have caused accidents. It's the main thing which puts off me doing it. Sleep deprivation is causes a large proportion of M-way crashes
Posted: 02/07/2002 14:26

I’m sorry but, more people DO cause more erosion (and more noise and more litter when it comes to that). What's wrong with trying to spread the load? To be honest I don't quite feel eloquent enough to argue the case at the moment, but certainly my argument does not include 'snobbery' or 'prejudice'. Sort of discussion best done over a couple of pints.
Posted: 02/07/2002 15:57

Well they do, but then everyone using the hills causes erosion. It's inevitable until you reach the situation on some paths - Pennine Way for example - where great swathes of it have been literally paved over. It's one of those 'wouldn't do it myself, but will defend the right of others to do it' things for me. You could argue that it's better to confine that erosion to a few defined paths which can be restored rather than spreading it all over the shop. Wouldn't do it myself anyway. Seems like a lot of driving for no particular reason and the routes they normally take aren't exaclty dramatic - as alternative Three Peaks combining the CMD Arete on the Ben, Crib Goch on Snowdon and, erm, something halfway interesting on Scafell Pike might be a bit more supportable. Why don't they just stay in the gym and use a stairmaster? Ooops...
Posted: 02/07/2002 16:08

The thing is a high number of people using a path at the same time causes more damage than the same number over a period of time. A bit like having sixteen pints in one evening or spreading them out over the week! No I wouldn't ban them (thin edge of the wedge) but I don't have to like them. I have done the 3 peaks (over 4 days) Snowdon via Lliwedd (4 inches of rain that day), The Ben via CMD and Scafell Pike via Piers Gill and Broad Crag. So it's hard not to sound hypocritical, but there again I have the odd cigar but still think smoking 40 a day is bad for you.
Posted: 02/07/2002 16:28

Three Peaks & sixteen pints in one day, that would be a challenge!
Posted: 02/07/2002 17:18

It`s interesting to read such a variety of views in such a small space of time. My own belief is that this question forms part of a broad debate, covering lots of other issues. Take for example - what`s been said about m-way crashes, then restricting people to times/places brings in the freedom to roam debate, (Save that to another year !). Then there`s the Safety aspect from MRT,(Should insurance companies cough up to help fund organisations if they are called on, like NHS and car crashes ?) and pollution/litter/local residences etc.. Only Sat, there was a team of about 20 taking down the shelter on the Ben and collecting all the rubbish left behind ! If it were decided that there would be a crackdown on events like these, could it go too far and affect Coast to Coast walks , West Highland Way etc.. ??? I stand testament to what Jon said earlier, as ive got into the Outdoors by a mate getting me into the C2C walk and i was inexperienced as much as Joe Bloggs. So it does bring good points - not to mention the tourism.... It`s great we can have a healthy debate....
Posted: 02/07/2002 17:23

I think it's worth stating that you couldn't ban 3PC'ers. Who the hell has the authority and what law is there it could come under? Plus, as I said, the erosion on Snowdon and Nevis is not a problem as these paths have been paved with stone (cost a fair few million quid too). These paths have been carefully designed and constructed and pretty much solve the problem. I think there are people here who wouldn't go up these 'tourist' paths if you paid them and so don't realise how they are now. Once you get above a certain number of total users over a long period the actual frequency of walkers makes no difference. The load problem comes when topsoil structure and vegetation is destroyed making surface material prone to erosion, particulary water-rill. Once rills exist surface water flow can be as a big a problem as actual impaction removing finer particles, taking anything a plant could grow in, so there is no chance of a stabilising root structure establishing again. And any plants just get flattened by more walkers or eaten by the bloody sheep anyway. That's why constructed paths having regular drainage channels. Should say that a friend of mine did a large project at Bangor on upland footpath erosion and management, inlcuding talking to the people at CCW, the SNPA and the various bodies involved in managing the upland paths. I looked over her project and was in the audience for her presentation so to be honest there isn't much I don't know about path erosion! PS Yet to see anyone answer my point that there is no difference - certainly not in principle - between the 3 Peaks Challenge and the 15 Peaks Challenge. Both are (were) sponsered and both casuse (caused) people to walk where they usually wouldn't, increasing traffic.
Posted: 02/07/2002 19:08

You raise some interesting points Dan. 1)You can`t ban people, some would argue for stricter controls though. 2)Yeah i s`pose if you don`t like the toursit paths go a different route and spread the erosion elsewhere then ?? 3)As for 15 peaks where does it end ? and who`s picking up the final bill ?, not just money either !
Posted: 02/07/2002 19:27

Yeah I'd rather 3PC'ers stuck to tourist paths as they can cope with the erosion. Jon seems to be suggesting people try other routes, but these would be very vulnerable to erosion. Erosion was used as an argument both for and against the Right to Roam as it would either (a) encourage more people onto the hills worsening erosion or (b) spread people off the most used paths reducing erosion. Interesting!
Posted: 02/07/2002 19:47

I have no problem with it to be honest and if I did I'd be rather hypocritical as I was being sponsored for the Welsh 3000-ers. As long as they are sensitive to the local environment and local population then more the better. If they aren't then more education is in order!
Posted: 02/07/2002 20:09

I think there should be some sort of consultation with the relavent National Park / MRT to see if there are things which can be done to lessen the impact on the local areas, I know they were complaining a while ago in the Lakes about having several coaches rumbling through the villages at some rediculous time in the morning, they also need to have a few people in any sizeable group to act as leaders, we were once followed over Crinkle Crags and onto Bowfell by a crowd who thought they were doing Scafell for charity, turned out that one person in the group thought he could read a map!
Posted: 02/07/2002 22:56

'Jon seems to be suggesting people try other routes, but these would be very vulnerable to erosion.' - Dan I gave up being reasonable and concluded they should stick to Stairmasters in the gym :-)
Posted: 03/07/2002 10:06

Interesting thread. I thought I would put in my ten pence worth as I work in Wasdale and am a member of the Wasdale MRT. To me the issue is not one of ban the races or restrict access it is one of responsible use and conservation. You can't stop people from using the fells, god forbid, however having accepted free access for all you then need to manage the use. The three peaks is not a small problem believe me, the scale of the events is not fully appreciated, but living and woking here you get things into a good perspective, litteraly thousands do the challenge each year, a rough total would be about 6000 people. The problem comes from 2 angles as I can see it. Number one is behavoir and organisation. With the mind set of doing the event in 24 hours, the competitors arrive in Wasdale during the night mainly and when they get here systematicly wake up the residents, campers and B&B guests with noise, cheering, reversing sirens and generally not caring about who the annoy, but hey that's ok becouse it's all for charity. They then proceed to drink the vallies wells dry of fresh water, crap behind every wall and tree becouse there just isn't enough toilets ( mains sewerage not being present), they park whereever is closest and churn up the verges and gree spaces, and then when they leave they gift us all the rubbish they have created so that it can merrily blow all over the valley. And finally for good measure they drive like tits down the valley roads becouse the driver is charged with the task of getting to the next peak in 5mins. Now, does that sound like responsible use of the National Park? Forget the fact they ignore the paths taking the direct routes instead, forget the erosion of 300 feet in one hours is ten times that of 300 feet over the course of a week, forget the fact that the Brown Tongue path which has been repairing for 10 years is now a ditch once again becouse people use it to come down instead of the pitched path becouse that is full of people going up! The facts are plain, the valley can not cope with this event in its current form, if nothing is done it will deteriate rapidly and detract from the pleasure of all who come to enjoy it during the daylight hours. How can this be controlled then? simple control point 2 which is that most of the events are organised by large National and International charites as fundraisers. If the large charities who run the events can be convinced of the damage they cause and turn to alternate methods of fundraising then much of the above can be avoided. The small individual groups who do the event over 3 days cause little bother, its the 24 hour biggies that are the problem. To put this into context next weekend or the weekend after I forget which, one big charity will put 2000 people on the summit of the pike over a 24 hour peroid. To do this they will attack it from three valleys and use the services of a national event management company. For each person of the 2000 doing the event, £100 of the sponsorship money they raise will go to the company who do very well thank you very much and bugger the consequences. Most big charity events do this.
Posted: 04/07/2002 11:20

The National Park was set up for the recreational use of all, not as a fundraiser for large charites. Millions are made each year out of this event and so changing it will not be easy. What we need to do is seperate leisure use and for profit use. All the other groups who use the fells for profit pay taxes on this earning and are governed by the rules of the Park but not the charities. There exists a voluntary code of conduct but none of the big events bother to use it. This event will continue and the damage will continue and nothing will be done, too much money is involved and the charities are too well backed. A pessimsitic view I know but one I believe to be true. I will leave you with this thought. Last week the fire service put 600 people on the pike as part of the challenge, they raised just under one million pounds for their chosen charity. There currently exists no funds to repair paths and the Wasdale MRT are trying to scrounge enough money to buy a new landrover becouse the National Lottery will not fund them. Fair?
Posted: 04/07/2002 11:20

I pay a bit to my 'local' MRT (OVMRO) as although I've never needed their services you never know, and they do a very good job. But I pay far more to a range of other charities as I priotise things like disaster relief and poverty allevietion over rescuing people. Harsh, but I can't afford to support everyone. At the same time the ends don't always justify the means and Guy, you clearly know what's going on, and there is a problem in Wasdale. To be honest I've never been around Llanberis in the summer so maybe the problem is just as bad there, but at least they're on a main road with big carparks. Have you tried writing to any of these charities with your concerns? In Snowdonia there are literally piles of those bloody annoying shock-tactic 'Are you going home tonight?' leaflets. They must have printed a million and I'm sick of them, but I bet they've worked to reduce the number of ill-equipped walkers through education. Isn't it time some organisation with authority, such as the BMC or the Llaneris, Wasdale and Fort William MRTs combined, produced a similar leaflet for 3PC participants and perhaps an info pack that could be sent to organisers outlining good behaviour, best practice and recommended routes (that could then be concentrated on to maintain)? I also think there are measures that could help the situation in Wasdale. Imposing a 7.5t weight limit on the road to stop coaches springs to mind - the local council could do that. Signage at Wasdale asking for good behaviour might also be worth a try. Perhaps the LA could cough up for a better car park and better loos, or just extra temporary ones during the peak season. I'm not saying it's just a question of asking and getting, but maybe something could be done. Snowdonia and the Peak have had millions thrown at them to repair upland paths, and I'm sure there must be money available in the Lakes too. Perhaps contacting the relevant groups in Snowy and the Peaks to see how they've done it would be a good way of finding out more.
Posted: 04/07/2002 12:34

Dan Yes all good ideas, the mrt won't get inloved as a charity ourselves we have no view on the 3 peak races. They bring us relativley few incidents and the big events are marshalled. I speak as a walker, climber local who hates seeimg the beatt destroyed by these races. The charties involved have been contacted and they know all to well what they are doing, the money is too much for them to resist though . I agree education is tghe key , before the events arrive, once they are here it's too late.
Posted: 04/07/2002 14:22

I have to admit I e-mailed Guy and amongst other things asked him if he would like to comment on this topic. Guy on mtn.co.uk (RIP) was always a great source of informed information and I thought it would be interesting to have his thoughts here. Also when WMTR have their fund raising weekend, bids will be accepted by e-mail for the gear auction (details available nearer the time) allowing those of us who can't get there to bag a bargain.
Posted: 04/07/2002 17:13

May the BMC could do something then. A few press stories on 'Charities damaging England's highest mountain' might dampen the culprit's enthusaism. I know charities aren't allowed to hold political views as such, but I think it's still possible to have views on things like this. Of course, MRTs may simply feel that it's of no direct concern to them as as you say 3PCs don't result in many rescues being needed and don't want to get involved (fair enough). Perhaps a conservation group, or a resident's organisation, would be more appropiate?
Posted: 04/07/2002 19:49

Doesn`t reading through all these answers make you feel really motivated to help/do something about this. I do, but cannot believe, someone would be so irresponsible to allow 2,000 people on one summit within 24 hours, that is crazy ! It would be great if some lurking investigative journo, just passing by this site in error would maybe follow this up, to bring all of these points/views together, so it can be properly presented for some action/help to be taken.
Posted: 04/07/2002 20:49

I dunno if any journo's lurk about on this forum...I'm sure they have better things to do...
Posted: 04/07/2002 20:55

It did me, to be honest, but I don't think there's much I can do Hey, Jon's a journo!
Posted: 04/07/2002 22:02

Dan I agree but what to do that's the question? All you can do is influence the organising charities and how do you go about doing that? And I have misrepresnted someone I'm afraid, it isn't 2000 people in 24 hours I've double checked and that's actualy the total figure the one company is helping put on the summit over the course of this 3 peak "Season" whatever that means, the biggest Single event as far as I can find out has been 500 over two days and that was last week...........I apologise for that mistake.
Posted: 04/07/2002 23:03

I am a journo, it's true, though I reckon it's fair to say that I'm not exactly a lurker. Anyway, watch the site today for Guy's official, considered thoughts on the Three Peaks from a Lakes local's viewpoint. The Guardian, and other national media carried something on the Challenge stuff last year highlighting the issue of disturbance to locals, maybe it'll get picked up again. Oh, nice piece of irony here. Chatting with one of the lasses at the local leisure centre yesterday and she mentioned she'd just done the 'Three Peaks', then she corrected herself, 'Two Peaks...' Me '?". Her: 'Well, we managed the first two, then I pranged the minibus.' And who was saying that the challenge things might be a cause of road accidents... Also, a nice one this, apparently one company does an alternative, more ecologically sound version of the challenge and... It's sponsored by Vauxhall. Forgive my hollow laughter but isn't one of the weaknesses of the thing that it burns considerable quantities of irreplaceable fossil fuel while people rush from hill to hill? Yes, I know most of us do something of the sort, but at least I'm not hypocritical enough to pretend it's ecologically friendly...
Posted: 05/07/2002 08:41

I support Guy's points 100% and suggest that there are two separate issues to address: 1. The desirability of large organised charity events descending en masse in one small area, and the environmental and local problems that are caused. I for one would not take part in any 3 peaks type event, and do not accept that the informal Welsh 3000s challenge walkers create the same level of problems as large groups of inexperienced, ill-equipped 3 Peaks participants who typically arrive in Waasdale at dead of night to ascend Sca Fell Pike. 2. The funding of the Mountain Rescue service, which surely should not have to rely on collection boxes in pubs, and donations from grateful accident victims. With ever-increasing numbers of people taking to the hills, the MRT should be funded like any other emergency service. You only have to read the callout logs on any MRT web site to see that their activities are not restricted to mountains. It's not uncommon for the Ogwen Valley team to attend road accidents on the A5.
Posted: 05/07/2002 08:46

I agree Simon but I do think it important to seperate the 3 peaks events from MRT's. The two just aren't linked as MRT's have almost nothing at all to do with events and are not in the position to take a view, they provide a service free to all regardlesss of what they doing. Now if you want ot talk about funding well that's another matter! Did I mention the auction weekend in September?
Posted: 05/07/2002 08:56

Just a note about the article, I wrote the articel but not the front piece and I would not wish to be associated with Slamming the 3 peaks, informed debate and positive action by charities and paticipants yes but not aggressive slamming! I have written tot he site asking that this front piece be removed I stand by my piece but not the aggresive piece of theirs. This can be solved nicley and not aggresivley in my mind. Guy
Posted: 05/07/2002 11:43

Guy, sorry about that, just selling the story and didn't mean to mis-represent you. I've re-written the title and news piece to more accuratel reflect, I hope, what you were saying. Great article by the way, it certainly made me think. Cheers Jon
Posted: 05/07/2002 12:01

The front piece has been changed, many thanks. Guy
Posted: 05/07/2002 12:01

Best discussion thread I have read, thanks very informative. My perspective, as one who works for a company full of folk who are constantly arranging charity events, is that 'doing something for charity' practically excuses any responsibility for the impact of their actions. I visit the lakes or Snowdonia most weekends and believe as I am doing this unashamedly for my own pleasure I should take responsibility for my actions. I don't think anything other than legislation - aimed at the charities and particularly the fund raising companies will help. Places like Wasdale are unique, and deserve to be protected from gangs of non-regular countryside users. I am not against charity work, but if the aim is to raise money rather than simply make the participants feel better about themselves, then they should have no objection to thinking of other fund raising activities that raise the money but do not cause the problems described in your article.
Posted: 05/07/2002 13:05

There was an interesting bit about three peaks events on the Mountaineering Council of Scotland website (at http://www.mountaineering-scotland.org.uk/news/3peaks.html) recently under the title "Call for Challengers to Stop and Think". As well as quoting bodies that manage these areas (John Muir Trust, National Trust for Scotland, national park authorities etc.) it referred to the Institute of Charity Fundraising Managers' (http://www.icfm.org.uk/) code of practice. This has an appendix 3 that specifically deals with three peaks events. The guiding principle is "Cause no disturbance or inconvenience to the local community and environment". This is of course only a code of practice for ICF affiliates, while anyone can go ahead and do the three peaks thing. I also think that the 200 ceiling that they recommend for participants is way too high. Personally, I won't support anything that states that is it simply "for charity" without going into detail of what that charity is. But, having been involved in fundraising for years, I think that there are plenty of things that fundraisers can do that can have positive impacts as well as raising funds (eg - though it wasn't done as a fundraiser - the cleanup on the Ben that someone referred to earlier, which was actually carried out by the JMT). We are constantly approached by fundraisers, and in addition to whether the cause is one that we want to support, we can also decide on the basis of the fundraising activity involved whether we wish to support it. There is simply no need for three peaks events. Rant over - Andy
Posted: 05/07/2002 14:13

A mate of mine was planning on doing the three peaks and cycling between them. That would be a lot more ecologically sound. Then again he was planning on having a backup car :-)
Posted: 05/07/2002 15:16

Perhaps I should have said "no need for mass three peaks events". Doing the same alone or in a small group by bike would be a completely different matter. Impressive if they can do it in under 24 hours too...
Posted: 05/07/2002 15:41

Jon - sorry i wasn`t inferring you was a `lurker`, i was aiming that at the outside World. The article on the main page really sums up everything... but where does this take us ? Does anyone have any sensible ideas ? I`m NOT suggesting protest marches !:-)
Posted: 05/07/2002 15:43

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