The Whangie - Queens View

THESE MAPS ARE INCORRECT. THEY SHOW A THROUGH ROAD, (JUST BEFORE YOU COME TO THE QUEEN'S VIEW CARPARK), PAST PRIVATE PROPERTIES ON AUCHINEDEN ESTATE.  THERE IS NO THROUGH ROAD HERE.  IT IS A PRIVATE DRIVEWAY WHICH ENDS AT ONE OF THE PROPERTIES.  THE RESIDENTS OF THIS ESTATE ARE CONSTANTLY GETTING PEOPLE TRAMPLING THROUGH THEIR GARDENS THINKING IT IS A ROAD.  PLEASE AMEND YOUR MAPS TO SHOW THE CORRECT DATA.

Posted: 14/04/2009 at 16:41

Might I suggest you take up the accuracy of the map with the Ordnance Survey who produce and publish it?

The route shown on this site here goes nowhere near the road or the buildings you mention.

Folk more knowledgeable than me on current Scottish access laws may care to comment on the usage of the marked track you refer to by walkers.....

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AND PLEASE DON'T SHOUT!! 

Posted: 14/04/2009 at 17:06

Hello Julia

It feels like you and your neighbours are quite frustrated by this. I'm sure none of the members here would intentionally trample over private property - I would suggest most OM members are at the responsible end of the walking spectrum.

To help us please could you tell us specifically which  maps are inaccurate? Publisher, scale and date would be helpful. I assume you have posted this info on other sites too but also suggest you give an update to, presumably, Ordnance Survey.

I imagine some people you have encountered can't read maps but I'm not sure what you or we can do about that.

I do hope your efforts are succesful in resolving this issue and you all have a peaceful summer.

Posted: 14/04/2009 at 17:12

I'll temporarily hide this route while I check with both the author and the maps.

If the GPS generated map used by the author conforms with designated rights of way unfortunately this is a matter to be taken up with the Ordnance Survey, as Matt quite rightly says. If any route on our database does cause landowners a problem, however, we're more than welcome to listen to and promote viable alternatives.

Dave Mycroft

Routes Editor

Posted: 14/04/2009 at 17:17

Having taken a look at the description, the OS map, and the satellite photograph with route overlayed I'm rather at a loss to see where the problem is. The route leaves the A809 at a car park and from that point on doesn't go anywhere near another road or buildings. I therefore see no reason to suspend the route at the moment. Please could you clarify where the proble area is, or if this is a general request for walkers in the area regarding a mistake on the OS map nearby?
Posted: 14/04/2009 at 17:33

The Land Reform Scotland Act 2003 allows for reasonable access on foot, so even if your road is 'private' access may still be permitted. There are guidlines laid down for landowners, managers etc, on how to deal with any problem they perceive which may include a signed diversionary path round the property which walkers would then have to follow. 

I would suggest you contact the Mountaineering Council of Scotland Offce or your local access officer. Every Council in Scotland has an Access Officer and it is their job to resolve these types of problems. 

Posted: 14/04/2009 at 17:43

Any chance we could be enlighted where this problem actually exists (or doesn't)?

So far I've gathered it's Scotland but beyond that....?

Part of the WHW??? Near there??

Go on gissa clue

Posted: 14/04/2009 at 17:48

I've never done this route, but I can well amagine folk trying to turn the suggested route into something a bit more circular, seeing the access to the property at NS502801 and heading for there (either in ascent or descent). I guess the problem is that there's no easy access past this property onto the open hillside. I'm pretty sure that the legal resolution of this lies with the owners of the property to lay out a suggested route avoiding their "garden".
Posted: 14/04/2009 at 17:52

Rog - the walk starts on the A809 between Drymen and Milngavie (apparently, never done it).

Matt C - I was composing my post before I saw yours - I was going for an understated, polite approach in an attempt to undermine the evident anger. But I really wanted to shout back!

Julia - you have received a number of helpful replies and this website has checked its route info promptly. Please update us on the outcome of your actions.

OM supermeet The Whangie anyone?

Posted: 14/04/2009 at 18:05

Thanks for the insight.

It does seem to be an issue 'on the ground' not on the map or on this site

Posted: 14/04/2009 at 18:15

I was expecting this to be about somewhere in NZ...

The red GPS track shown in the OM route clearly follows the path from the car park up to the Whangie, and goes nowhere near the disputed road or the estate properites, and the accompanying text is equally clear.  So I'd say it's hardly encouraging people to go trampling through gardens, annoying as this must be. I can't remember how OS are meant to distinguish between public and private road systems.

What's more interesting is that the 1:25k mapping uses 5m contours, and, in my mapping data, switches back to 10m contours W of 050, so there are lots of hanging contours...

Posted: 14/04/2009 at 19:19

Troll?
Posted: 14/04/2009 at 22:03

Dave - there's nothing wrong with the route, so there's no need withdraw it. I've walked or run it a few times and cycled or driven past it dozens of times - it is a very popular scenic wander from a large car park from which you get wonderful views of the southern highlands, as well as encountering a strange piece of rock that legend has it was split by the Devil's tail.  The track that the O/P mentions is a completely different thing; it starts well before the car-park. Is she suggesting that people are using it to gain access to the Whangie? I can't imagine why anyone would - you would have to walk back along the road from the car-park round a very dodgy bend.  Here's some pics. People do have a right to walk up a private track; for all we know the O/P is trying to extend her garden beyond its legitimate boundary.
Posted: 14/04/2009 at 23:13

Cheers ALS, it only took a couple of minutes to check the route and be sure there was no conflict, but I felt there was no option but to check it first. Thanks Matt, Lindsay, CP and ALS for the confirmation and info
Posted: 15/04/2009 at 09:41

Oh sorry i never spotted this earlier, only a year late. In response to the original poster, I fear you havnt bother to actually look at the route posted. It certainly never goes near any houses. If you dont believe me you should make the effort to click the satellite button and it will show you. Thanks for hijacking my route to complain about your local issue, you should set up a community map reading group. Any further complaints about the route can be taken up with NASA.
Posted: 26/03/2010 at 21:48

i walked this route for my duke of edinburgh award and i had this map and it was accurate.

i did find it had to climb down it though because there was no path to help

Posted: 19/06/2010 at 12:18